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		<title>By: New Swine Flu Virus Could Complicate Influenza Season - TIME / Tactical Paracord</title>
		<link>http://www.virology.ws/2010/03/10/trivalent-influenza-vaccine-for-the-2010-2011-season/comment-page-1/#comment-30644</link>
		<dc:creator>New Swine Flu Virus Could Complicate Influenza Season - TIME / Tactical Paracord</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jan 2012 03:31:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] might be exposed to over the winter differ from season to season. The flu shot itself is actually a trivalent vaccine, meaning that it protects against the three separate flu strains that experts believe are most [...]</description>
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		<title>By: New Swine Flu Virus Could Complicate Influenza Season &#124; Stop Spam Tips</title>
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		<dc:creator>New Swine Flu Virus Could Complicate Influenza Season &#124; Stop Spam Tips</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Dec 2011 18:24:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] might be exposed to over the winter differ from season to season. The flu shot itself is actually a trivalent vaccine, meaning that it protects against the three separate flu strains that experts believe are most [...]</description>
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		<title>By: How a New Swine Flu Virus Could Complicate Influenza Season &#124; Flu Symptoms, Treatment, Cold, Stomach, Swine Flu</title>
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		<dc:creator>How a New Swine Flu Virus Could Complicate Influenza Season &#124; Flu Symptoms, Treatment, Cold, Stomach, Swine Flu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Dec 2011 22:05:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] might be exposed to over the winter differ from season to season. The flu shot itself is actually a trivalent vaccine, meaning that it protects against the three separate flu strains that experts believe are most [...]</description>
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		<title>By: New Swine Flu Virus Could Complicate Influenza Season &#8211; شبكة النيل الإخبارية</title>
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		<dc:creator>New Swine Flu Virus Could Complicate Influenza Season &#8211; شبكة النيل الإخبارية</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Dec 2011 19:33:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] to over a winter differ from deteriorate to season. The influenza shot itself is indeed a trivalent vaccine, definition that it protects opposite a 3 apart influenza strains that experts trust are many [...]</description>
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		<title>By: New Swine Flu Virus Could Complicate Influenza Season &#124; Believe Me When I Tell You</title>
		<link>http://www.virology.ws/2010/03/10/trivalent-influenza-vaccine-for-the-2010-2011-season/comment-page-1/#comment-30510</link>
		<dc:creator>New Swine Flu Virus Could Complicate Influenza Season &#124; Believe Me When I Tell You</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Dec 2011 17:38:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] might be exposed to over the winter differ from season to season. The flu shot itself is actually a trivalent vaccine, meaning that it protects against the three separate flu strains that experts believe are most [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Flus.us &#187; Blog Archive &#187; New Swine Flu Virus Could Complicate Influenza Season &#187; Flus.us</title>
		<link>http://www.virology.ws/2010/03/10/trivalent-influenza-vaccine-for-the-2010-2011-season/comment-page-1/#comment-30485</link>
		<dc:creator>Flus.us &#187; Blog Archive &#187; New Swine Flu Virus Could Complicate Influenza Season &#187; Flus.us</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Dec 2011 12:52:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] might be exposed to over the winter differ from season to season. The flu shot itself is actually a trivalent vaccine, meaning that it protects against the three separate flu strains that experts believe are most [...]</description>
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		<title>By: H3N2v: How a New Swine Flu Virus Could Complicate Influenza Season &#124; Healthland &#124; TIME.com</title>
		<link>http://www.virology.ws/2010/03/10/trivalent-influenza-vaccine-for-the-2010-2011-season/comment-page-1/#comment-30483</link>
		<dc:creator>H3N2v: How a New Swine Flu Virus Could Complicate Influenza Season &#124; Healthland &#124; TIME.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Dec 2011 10:00:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] might be exposed to over the winter differ from season to season. The flu shot itself is actually a trivalent vaccine, meaning that it protects against the three separate flu strains that experts believe are most [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Freedyfrog1</title>
		<link>http://www.virology.ws/2010/03/10/trivalent-influenza-vaccine-for-the-2010-2011-season/comment-page-1/#comment-26293</link>
		<dc:creator>Freedyfrog1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Apr 2011 16:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>your better off without it sir.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>your better off without it sir.</p>
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		<title>By: Freddyfrog1</title>
		<link>http://www.virology.ws/2010/03/10/trivalent-influenza-vaccine-for-the-2010-2011-season/comment-page-1/#comment-26292</link>
		<dc:creator>Freddyfrog1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Apr 2011 16:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>absolutely spot on sir.I would not have one of these &quot;vaccines&quot; for love nor money.The fact that mercury is used in them as a &quot;preservative&quot; is beyond comprehension,whilst we are at it,why not lets inject us all with a tiny ammount of the AIDS virus so we cannot contract that.Furthermore,why not just spray it into the air,oops,wait,i think they have already done that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>absolutely spot on sir.I would not have one of these &#8220;vaccines&#8221; for love nor money.The fact that mercury is used in them as a &#8220;preservative&#8221; is beyond comprehension,whilst we are at it,why not lets inject us all with a tiny ammount of the AIDS virus so we cannot contract that.Furthermore,why not just spray it into the air,oops,wait,i think they have already done that.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.virology.ws/2010/03/10/trivalent-influenza-vaccine-for-the-2010-2011-season/comment-page-1/#comment-26210</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Apr 2011 11:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nothing in a vaccine can cause hallucinations. Vaccines donot contain narcotic substances.
Influenza is incurable. Only a fool would not get immunized. I suggest get every vaccine offered.
Most cost from 25 to $50 each. If you get even one of the diseases, it will cost you more in missed-work, office visits, and futile prescription drugs than all of the vaccine costs combined especially if you also infect your friends, co-workers, and relatives/family....Al-</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nothing in a vaccine can cause hallucinations. Vaccines donot contain narcotic substances.<br />
Influenza is incurable. Only a fool would not get immunized. I suggest get every vaccine offered.<br />
Most cost from 25 to $50 each. If you get even one of the diseases, it will cost you more in missed-work, office visits, and futile prescription drugs than all of the vaccine costs combined especially if you also infect your friends, co-workers, and relatives/family&#8230;.Al-</p>
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		<title>By: Clinical Trial Underway for Seasonal/H1N1 Vaccine &#124; Science Business</title>
		<link>http://www.virology.ws/2010/03/10/trivalent-influenza-vaccine-for-the-2010-2011-season/comment-page-1/#comment-26026</link>
		<dc:creator>Clinical Trial Underway for Seasonal/H1N1 Vaccine &#124; Science Business</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Mar 2011 13:38:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Health Organization and the U.S. Food and Drug Administration decided on the composition of the trivalent influenza virus vaccine that will be used during the 2010-2011 season in the northern hemisphere. This phase I trial is [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Andrewcutler</title>
		<link>http://www.virology.ws/2010/03/10/trivalent-influenza-vaccine-for-the-2010-2011-season/comment-page-1/#comment-25188</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrewcutler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Jan 2011 09:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regardless of the names given to the various strains of influenza (H1N1/H5N1 etc etc) I think it should be remembered that they come under the heading Influenza type &#039;A&#039; and this includes avian/bird flu, swine/pig flu, and human strains of flu. 
All viral organisms travel within the cells of the body via an enzymatic process, namely they secrete the enzyme neuraminidase which breaks down the cellular membranes to facilitate proliferation. Therefore any medicines or supplements aimed at retarding this process can be potentially valuable. Various herbal agents are capable of inhibiting this enzyme (one such being Poke root-check the dosage out with a trained Medical herbalist!), another is star anise which has been extensively utilised by the drug companies to manufacture the antiviral  product &#039;Tamiflu&#039; (using the spice in hot water as a tea has the same effect), Vitamin D3 has also been found to inhibit the same enzyme and most branches of medicine now recognise a general tendency for people to be deficient in this, so supplementally this too can be useful.
Whilst I don&#039;t think most people are  in principle against the concept of immunisation, particularly against the more serious diseases, I would like it explained to me by the pharmaceutical manufacturers of these flu vaccines just why some of the highly toxic ingredients are actually necessary or seen as appropriate to inject into the human body!
For example this &#039;seasons&#039;  cocktail includes mercurial compounds (in any shape or form mercury is highly toxic), formaldehyde (used in the manufacture of timber products), detergents, squalene, probably several others too including pig DNA (pig cell lines are used in the manufacturing of the swine flu vaccine -for what possible reason I cant imagine). Carrying agents for these vaccines could be as simple as arrachis oil which is successfully used in other intra-muscular injections.
There is a great deal of controversy over these modern vaccines and I would have thought by now it could have been better explained to the population at large just why the selected ingredients are being included, how they work, exactly why pig cell lines/DNA is being included (seems a sure-fire way of causing &#039;cross-species&#039; infections?).
In short it&#039;s time to come clean with people and stop all the scare mongering and fear tactics. Yes every year people do die from flu, and always have done. This is not acceptable if safe ways can be found to protect people but first and foremost we all need to pay particular attention to our immune systems-this is our first line of defence against all manner of pathogens, not drugs and vaccinations.
I am not a virologist, I have been a Registered Medical herbalist for twenty years and I have studied disease patterns and immunology. I would simply urge those allopathic corporations to properly inform the public from an unbiased standpoint as to what their intentions are with our health. I would like to believe their motives are in our best interests but do us all a favour and first stop the scare tactics!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regardless of the names given to the various strains of influenza (H1N1/H5N1 etc etc) I think it should be remembered that they come under the heading Influenza type &#8216;A&#8217; and this includes avian/bird flu, swine/pig flu, and human strains of flu.<br />
All viral organisms travel within the cells of the body via an enzymatic process, namely they secrete the enzyme neuraminidase which breaks down the cellular membranes to facilitate proliferation. Therefore any medicines or supplements aimed at retarding this process can be potentially valuable. Various herbal agents are capable of inhibiting this enzyme (one such being Poke root-check the dosage out with a trained Medical herbalist!), another is star anise which has been extensively utilised by the drug companies to manufacture the antiviral  product &#8216;Tamiflu&#8217; (using the spice in hot water as a tea has the same effect), Vitamin D3 has also been found to inhibit the same enzyme and most branches of medicine now recognise a general tendency for people to be deficient in this, so supplementally this too can be useful.<br />
Whilst I don&#8217;t think most people are  in principle against the concept of immunisation, particularly against the more serious diseases, I would like it explained to me by the pharmaceutical manufacturers of these flu vaccines just why some of the highly toxic ingredients are actually necessary or seen as appropriate to inject into the human body!<br />
For example this &#8216;seasons&#8217;  cocktail includes mercurial compounds (in any shape or form mercury is highly toxic), formaldehyde (used in the manufacture of timber products), detergents, squalene, probably several others too including pig DNA (pig cell lines are used in the manufacturing of the swine flu vaccine -for what possible reason I cant imagine). Carrying agents for these vaccines could be as simple as arrachis oil which is successfully used in other intra-muscular injections.<br />
There is a great deal of controversy over these modern vaccines and I would have thought by now it could have been better explained to the population at large just why the selected ingredients are being included, how they work, exactly why pig cell lines/DNA is being included (seems a sure-fire way of causing &#8216;cross-species&#8217; infections?).<br />
In short it&#8217;s time to come clean with people and stop all the scare mongering and fear tactics. Yes every year people do die from flu, and always have done. This is not acceptable if safe ways can be found to protect people but first and foremost we all need to pay particular attention to our immune systems-this is our first line of defence against all manner of pathogens, not drugs and vaccinations.<br />
I am not a virologist, I have been a Registered Medical herbalist for twenty years and I have studied disease patterns and immunology. I would simply urge those allopathic corporations to properly inform the public from an unbiased standpoint as to what their intentions are with our health. I would like to believe their motives are in our best interests but do us all a favour and first stop the scare tactics!</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.virology.ws/2010/03/10/trivalent-influenza-vaccine-for-the-2010-2011-season/comment-page-1/#comment-24676</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Dec 2010 20:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What is in it?  As the article states: inactivated (dead) virus designed to provide you with immunity from these strains of flu.

What do you think might be in it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is in it?  As the article states: inactivated (dead) virus designed to provide you with immunity from these strains of flu.</p>
<p>What do you think might be in it?</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.virology.ws/2010/03/10/trivalent-influenza-vaccine-for-the-2010-2011-season/comment-page-1/#comment-24675</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Dec 2010 20:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You suffered placebo effect.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You suffered placebo effect.</p>
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		<title>By: Italiya Bhavesh</title>
		<link>http://www.virology.ws/2010/03/10/trivalent-influenza-vaccine-for-the-2010-2011-season/comment-page-1/#comment-24630</link>
		<dc:creator>Italiya Bhavesh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Dec 2010 07:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>we should not take this vaccine beczuse we dont know that  what are the symptoms and reactions after administration of this vaccine...
                                                                                                                                                                           italiya bhavesh</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>we should not take this vaccine beczuse we dont know that  what are the symptoms and reactions after administration of this vaccine&#8230;<br />
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		<title>By: profvrr</title>
		<link>http://www.virology.ws/2010/03/10/trivalent-influenza-vaccine-for-the-2010-2011-season/comment-page-1/#comment-24313</link>
		<dc:creator>profvrr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Dec 2010 15:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It takes 2-3 weeks for the influenza vaccines to induce immunity; if
you encounter the virus before that time, infection will occur. Also
remember that the vaccine is not 100% effective - the inactivated
influenza vaccine is 70-90% effective at preventing influenza in
adults. The numbers are similar in children. Not everyone who receives
influenza vaccine will be protected against influenza.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It takes 2-3 weeks for the influenza vaccines to induce immunity; if<br />
you encounter the virus before that time, infection will occur. Also<br />
remember that the vaccine is not 100% effective &#8211; the inactivated<br />
influenza vaccine is 70-90% effective at preventing influenza in<br />
adults. The numbers are similar in children. Not everyone who receives<br />
influenza vaccine will be protected against influenza.</p>
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		<title>By: Wongie</title>
		<link>http://www.virology.ws/2010/03/10/trivalent-influenza-vaccine-for-the-2010-2011-season/comment-page-1/#comment-24264</link>
		<dc:creator>Wongie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Dec 2010 00:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We got flu shots in October in Texas, and now my son has Type A flu.....hmmmm....how does this happen</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We got flu shots in October in Texas, and now my son has Type A flu&#8230;..hmmmm&#8230;.how does this happen</p>
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		<title>By: Pepola10</title>
		<link>http://www.virology.ws/2010/03/10/trivalent-influenza-vaccine-for-the-2010-2011-season/comment-page-1/#comment-23553</link>
		<dc:creator>Pepola10</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Oct 2010 01:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wouldn&#039;t suggest getting this Vaccine, I just got it with my family, and they had mild hallucinations, and it was awkward for me. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wouldn&#8217;t suggest getting this Vaccine, I just got it with my family, and they had mild hallucinations, and it was awkward for me.</p>
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		<title>By: Kdkhands</title>
		<link>http://www.virology.ws/2010/03/10/trivalent-influenza-vaccine-for-the-2010-2011-season/comment-page-1/#comment-23236</link>
		<dc:creator>Kdkhands</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Sep 2010 20:59:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>iayork gave  very lucid comments .  General internet queries weren&#039;t getting me results&lt;br&gt;so i am posting my direct question:   &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I am a mostly healthy 59 year old with Type II diabetes, controlled with diet and exercise.  &lt;br&gt;Because of this risk factor i was given the current flu vaccine: Seasonal + H1N1.  ( don&#039;t know whether that is the trivalent vaccine under discussion, and that might not even be germane to my question.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I was vaccinated 9/22. On saturday 9/25, I was exposed to my 22 month old grandson&#039;s cold.  Yes, Grandma wiped his snotty nose multiple times with no hand washing or sanitation in between. Cold symptoms  appeared 9/26 with a scratchy throat , working it&#039;s way through a runny nose alternating with breathtaking ( literally ) congestion, body aches, extreme fatigue, hacking coughs and ferocious sneezes.  Not much fever.  Symptoms have shifted and alternated without any real progress to recovery - it is now Thursday Sept. 30, 2010. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;This is the most severe cold i can remember experiencing in several years.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;QUESTION:  Is it possible that there has been some interaction/ synergy between the cold and the flu vaccine to have exacerbated my misery.  &lt;br&gt;Thanks for taking time to answer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>iayork gave  very lucid comments .  General internet queries weren&#39;t getting me results<br />so i am posting my direct question:   </p>
<p>I am a mostly healthy 59 year old with Type II diabetes, controlled with diet and exercise.  <br />Because of this risk factor i was given the current flu vaccine: Seasonal + H1N1.  ( don&#39;t know whether that is the trivalent vaccine under discussion, and that might not even be germane to my question.  </p>
<p>I was vaccinated 9/22. On saturday 9/25, I was exposed to my 22 month old grandson&#39;s cold.  Yes, Grandma wiped his snotty nose multiple times with no hand washing or sanitation in between. Cold symptoms  appeared 9/26 with a scratchy throat , working it&#39;s way through a runny nose alternating with breathtaking ( literally ) congestion, body aches, extreme fatigue, hacking coughs and ferocious sneezes.  Not much fever.  Symptoms have shifted and alternated without any real progress to recovery &#8211; it is now Thursday Sept. 30, 2010. </p>
<p>This is the most severe cold i can remember experiencing in several years.  </p>
<p>QUESTION:  Is it possible that there has been some interaction/ synergy between the cold and the flu vaccine to have exacerbated my misery.  <br />Thanks for taking time to answer.</p>
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		<title>By: Pippie00044</title>
		<link>http://www.virology.ws/2010/03/10/trivalent-influenza-vaccine-for-the-2010-2011-season/comment-page-1/#comment-23022</link>
		<dc:creator>Pippie00044</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Aug 2010 11:01:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not taking this vaccine , there is no way to know for sure what is actually in these things ???</description>
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		<title>By: FreeWestRadio.com &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Seasonal, H1N1 flu vaccine to be combined this fall</title>
		<link>http://www.virology.ws/2010/03/10/trivalent-influenza-vaccine-for-the-2010-2011-season/comment-page-1/#comment-23005</link>
		<dc:creator>FreeWestRadio.com &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Seasonal, H1N1 flu vaccine to be combined this fall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Aug 2010 17:45:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] More information on this vaccine plan is noted at the Virology blog with the story “Trivalent influenza vaccine for the 2010-2011 season.” [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Militant Libertarian &#187; Seasonal, H1N1 flu vaccine to be combined this fall</title>
		<link>http://www.virology.ws/2010/03/10/trivalent-influenza-vaccine-for-the-2010-2011-season/comment-page-1/#comment-23004</link>
		<dc:creator>Militant Libertarian &#187; Seasonal, H1N1 flu vaccine to be combined this fall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Aug 2010 15:43:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] More information on this vaccine plan is noted at the Virology blog with the story “Trivalent influenza vaccine for the 2010-2011 season.” [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Seasonal, H1N1 flu vaccine to be combined this fall &#124; Sovereign Independent</title>
		<link>http://www.virology.ws/2010/03/10/trivalent-influenza-vaccine-for-the-2010-2011-season/comment-page-1/#comment-23000</link>
		<dc:creator>Seasonal, H1N1 flu vaccine to be combined this fall &#124; Sovereign Independent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Aug 2010 13:11:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] More information on this vaccine plan is noted at the Virology blog with the story “Trivalent influenza vaccine for the 2010-2011 season.” [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Seasonal, H1N1 flu vaccine to be combined this fall</title>
		<link>http://www.virology.ws/2010/03/10/trivalent-influenza-vaccine-for-the-2010-2011-season/comment-page-1/#comment-22996</link>
		<dc:creator>Seasonal, H1N1 flu vaccine to be combined this fall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Aug 2010 17:45:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] More information on this vaccine plan is noted at the Virology blog with the story &#8220;Trivalent influenza vaccine for the 2010-2011 season.&#8221; [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Nicky</title>
		<link>http://www.virology.ws/2010/03/10/trivalent-influenza-vaccine-for-the-2010-2011-season/comment-page-1/#comment-22009</link>
		<dc:creator>Nicky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 May 2010 22:13:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am a high risk patient and can&#039;t find anywhere that has the flu vaccine available.  Can anybody please tell me where I can find a clinic or private practice that might still have stock.  If I die of this flu virus, can my family sue the government??? Apparently, although I suffer from asthma I was shown the door at a government clinic.  They told me to go elsewhere and said they didn&#039;t have stock although I know of people that got their vaccines at the same clinic.  What is happening to this country???</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a high risk patient and can&#39;t find anywhere that has the flu vaccine available.  Can anybody please tell me where I can find a clinic or private practice that might still have stock.  If I die of this flu virus, can my family sue the government??? Apparently, although I suffer from asthma I was shown the door at a government clinic.  They told me to go elsewhere and said they didn&#39;t have stock although I know of people that got their vaccines at the same clinic.  What is happening to this country???</p>
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		<title>By: elizevdschyff</title>
		<link>http://www.virology.ws/2010/03/10/trivalent-influenza-vaccine-for-the-2010-2011-season/comment-page-1/#comment-21566</link>
		<dc:creator>elizevdschyff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Apr 2010 19:07:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please help I need 5 vaccines a.s.a.p - South Africa</description>
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		<title>By: elizevdschyff</title>
		<link>http://www.virology.ws/2010/03/10/trivalent-influenza-vaccine-for-the-2010-2011-season/comment-page-1/#comment-21293</link>
		<dc:creator>elizevdschyff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Apr 2010 12:07:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please help I need 5 vaccines a.s.a.p - South Africa</description>
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		<title>By: Trivalent influenza vaccine for the 2010-2011 season &#124; H1N1INFLUENZAVIRUS.US</title>
		<link>http://www.virology.ws/2010/03/10/trivalent-influenza-vaccine-for-the-2010-2011-season/comment-page-1/#comment-20984</link>
		<dc:creator>Trivalent influenza vaccine for the 2010-2011 season &#124; H1N1INFLUENZAVIRUS.US</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Mar 2010 06:29:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] vaccine is also being used to prepare for the upcoming winter &#8230;     Read the rest here: Trivalent influenza vaccine for the 2010-2011 season   Posted in H1N1 Influenza Virus, Influenza Virus. Tags: contain-the-following, following, [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Trivalent influenza vaccine for the 2010-2011 season &#124; H3N2FLU.US</title>
		<link>http://www.virology.ws/2010/03/10/trivalent-influenza-vaccine-for-the-2010-2011-season/comment-page-1/#comment-20978</link>
		<dc:creator>Trivalent influenza vaccine for the 2010-2011 season &#124; H3N2FLU.US</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Mar 2010 05:52:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] is also being used to prepare for the upcoming winter &#8230;   Read more from the original source: Trivalent influenza vaccine for the 2010-2011 season   Posted in H3N2 Influenza Information. Tags: also-being, contain-the-following, following, [...]</description>
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		<title>By: profvrr</title>
		<link>http://www.virology.ws/2010/03/10/trivalent-influenza-vaccine-for-the-2010-2011-season/comment-page-1/#comment-20872</link>
		<dc:creator>profvrr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 18:09:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for those great comments. Your point about the adjuvant is correct: Adolfo mentioned yesterday that adjuvants would probably be useful for a longer-lasting response.</description>
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		<title>By: iayork</title>
		<link>http://www.virology.ws/2010/03/10/trivalent-influenza-vaccine-for-the-2010-2011-season/comment-page-1/#comment-20871</link>
		<dc:creator>iayork</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 15:13:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that&#039;s part of it, but not the whole story.  The inactivated flu vaccine does give a memory response, but it&#039;s relatively short-lived, a year to a few years.  But even the live flu vaccine (the cold-adapted virus) gives a relatively short-lived response as well -- longer than the inactivated version, but not spectacularly so.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;So is it something intrinsic to influenza? (It&#039;s not impossible -- for example, noroviruses tend to only induce very short-lived immunity, so this is something that viruses may be able to manipulate a little.)  But we do know that anti-flu immunity can last a very long time.  Remember the paper a couple years ago that showed immunity in modern survivors of the 1918 flu, 90 years later.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;On the third hand (we need a squid to debate this properly), that&#039;s not directly comparable, because they weren&#039;t measuring the same thing in that study. They were restimulating first and then looking for the memory.   In general, detection of long-lasting memory has taken that approach, because antibody titers decay away fairly quickly (unless there&#039;s restimulation in vivo) even when memory cells are present.  I don&#039;t know of studies where that&#039;s been done with the flu vaccines (doesn&#039;t mean the studies aren&#039;t out there, just that I don&#039;t know of them) -- how much memory is left after the antibody titers wanes, and how recoverable is that memory? &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I also don&#039;t know how directly comparable the polio studies were -- were they picking up circulating antibody in the absence of restimulation (the flu situation) or restimulating in the process and picking up on the memory response from reactivated memory cells?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;But yeah, the disruption is probably a big part of it.  Better innate triggers from the incorporated RNA and probably virion proteins.  Probably better CD4 help as well (particulate material, perhaps including virions, is better phagocytosed and presented on MHC class II for T cell help than is soluble protein).   Giving a more potent adjuvant with the flu vaccine (the emulsion that&#039;s used in Europe) does lead to a longer-lasting response, as I recall.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The live vaccine for flu is mucosal which tends to have less long-lasting memory in general, though it&#039;s not universally true.  So I&#039;m guess the short antibody response to the inactivated and the live vaccines are for different reasons.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I also wonder how much impact pre-existing cross-reactive immunity to other flu strains would have.  I&#039;d be surprised if there was no effect at all from our annual exposure to different strains, and I&#039;d guess that would tend to reduce the effective dose of the flu  vaccine compared to polio, and might lead to amplification of the &quot;wrong&quot; (cross-reactive but non-neutralizing) response.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Mostly guesswork, I&#039;m afraid.  Sorry for the stream of consciousness rambling.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that&#39;s part of it, but not the whole story.  The inactivated flu vaccine does give a memory response, but it&#39;s relatively short-lived, a year to a few years.  But even the live flu vaccine (the cold-adapted virus) gives a relatively short-lived response as well &#8212; longer than the inactivated version, but not spectacularly so.  </p>
<p>So is it something intrinsic to influenza? (It&#39;s not impossible &#8212; for example, noroviruses tend to only induce very short-lived immunity, so this is something that viruses may be able to manipulate a little.)  But we do know that anti-flu immunity can last a very long time.  Remember the paper a couple years ago that showed immunity in modern survivors of the 1918 flu, 90 years later.</p>
<p>On the third hand (we need a squid to debate this properly), that&#39;s not directly comparable, because they weren&#39;t measuring the same thing in that study. They were restimulating first and then looking for the memory.   In general, detection of long-lasting memory has taken that approach, because antibody titers decay away fairly quickly (unless there&#39;s restimulation in vivo) even when memory cells are present.  I don&#39;t know of studies where that&#39;s been done with the flu vaccines (doesn&#39;t mean the studies aren&#39;t out there, just that I don&#39;t know of them) &#8212; how much memory is left after the antibody titers wanes, and how recoverable is that memory? </p>
<p>I also don&#39;t know how directly comparable the polio studies were &#8212; were they picking up circulating antibody in the absence of restimulation (the flu situation) or restimulating in the process and picking up on the memory response from reactivated memory cells?</p>
<p>But yeah, the disruption is probably a big part of it.  Better innate triggers from the incorporated RNA and probably virion proteins.  Probably better CD4 help as well (particulate material, perhaps including virions, is better phagocytosed and presented on MHC class II for T cell help than is soluble protein).   Giving a more potent adjuvant with the flu vaccine (the emulsion that&#39;s used in Europe) does lead to a longer-lasting response, as I recall.</p>
<p>The live vaccine for flu is mucosal which tends to have less long-lasting memory in general, though it&#39;s not universally true.  So I&#39;m guess the short antibody response to the inactivated and the live vaccines are for different reasons.</p>
<p>I also wonder how much impact pre-existing cross-reactive immunity to other flu strains would have.  I&#39;d be surprised if there was no effect at all from our annual exposure to different strains, and I&#39;d guess that would tend to reduce the effective dose of the flu  vaccine compared to polio, and might lead to amplification of the &#8220;wrong&#8221; (cross-reactive but non-neutralizing) response.</p>
<p>Mostly guesswork, I&#39;m afraid.  Sorry for the stream of consciousness rambling.</p>
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		<title>By: cupton</title>
		<link>http://www.virology.ws/2010/03/10/trivalent-influenza-vaccine-for-the-2010-2011-season/comment-page-1/#comment-20870</link>
		<dc:creator>cupton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 14:25:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wish I knew more immunology.&lt;br&gt;So what is inducing &quot;memory&quot;? We&#039;re getting a response...  enough Abs to protect, why no memory cells?&lt;br&gt;How well has this been tested?&lt;br&gt;We always assume we need a new vaccine because of drift.&lt;br&gt;Since I&#039;ve had a few flu shots over the years, I&#039;m not terribly worried if I occasionally miss one (unless different viruses.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wish I knew more immunology.<br />So what is inducing &#8220;memory&#8221;? We&#39;re getting a response&#8230;  enough Abs to protect, why no memory cells?<br />How well has this been tested?<br />We always assume we need a new vaccine because of drift.<br />Since I&#39;ve had a few flu shots over the years, I&#39;m not terribly worried if I occasionally miss one (unless different viruses.</p>
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		<title>By: profvrr</title>
		<link>http://www.virology.ws/2010/03/10/trivalent-influenza-vaccine-for-the-2010-2011-season/comment-page-1/#comment-20868</link>
		<dc:creator>profvrr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 13:57:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Terrific question. A good one for a virology exam! Basically the&lt;br&gt;inactivated flu vaccines don&#039;t induce immune memory - and why that is&lt;br&gt;isn&#039;t known. One issue might be the fact that the virions in the&lt;br&gt;vaccine are disrupted with detergent, and therefore barely resemble&lt;br&gt;infectious virions. Or the absence of internal virion components might&lt;br&gt;play a role. The inactivated poliovirus vaccine, on the other hand, is&lt;br&gt;not disrupted - the virions are largely intact, and that might&lt;br&gt;contribute to inducing robust memory.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Terrific question. A good one for a virology exam! Basically the<br />inactivated flu vaccines don&#39;t induce immune memory &#8211; and why that is<br />isn&#39;t known. One issue might be the fact that the virions in the<br />vaccine are disrupted with detergent, and therefore barely resemble<br />infectious virions. Or the absence of internal virion components might<br />play a role. The inactivated poliovirus vaccine, on the other hand, is<br />not disrupted &#8211; the virions are largely intact, and that might<br />contribute to inducing robust memory.</p>
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		<title>By: cupton</title>
		<link>http://www.virology.ws/2010/03/10/trivalent-influenza-vaccine-for-the-2010-2011-season/comment-page-1/#comment-20854</link>
		<dc:creator>cupton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 20:38:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So why is killed-polio vaccine able to give longer lasting immunity than this flu vaccine?</description>
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