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		<title>By: Sean</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 01:17:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow.  I had not heard that the immune system had such a focus on α-Gal.  Have you read how antibodies are able to distinguish between α-Gal and a longer chain of saccharides that terminate with α-Gal?  Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow.  I had not heard that the immune system had such a focus on α-Gal.  Have you read how antibodies are able to distinguish between α-Gal and a longer chain of saccharides that terminate with α-Gal?  Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: profvrr</title>
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		<dc:creator>profvrr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 20:59:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>African green monkeys are Old World monkeys and hence make a-gal. If you produce VSV in Vero you should use heated serum otherwise your virus titer will be reduced by complement. As for the mice, semi-sterile wouldn&#039;t be enough - you would have to raise them gnotobiotically in which case they would have severe digestive problems. I&#039;m not aware of primate antigens incorporated into VSV but I wouldn&#039;t be surprised if some were present. The old dogma, that enveloped viruses exclude host proteins when budding, has already been disproven for some viruses. And it&#039;s a good question why the a-gal antibodies are such low titer. Your suggestions make sense but I haven&#039;t come across the real reason.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>African green monkeys are Old World monkeys and hence make a-gal. If you produce VSV in Vero you should use heated serum otherwise your virus titer will be reduced by complement. As for the mice, semi-sterile wouldn&#39;t be enough &#8211; you would have to raise them gnotobiotically in which case they would have severe digestive problems. I&#39;m not aware of primate antigens incorporated into VSV but I wouldn&#39;t be surprised if some were present. The old dogma, that enveloped viruses exclude host proteins when budding, has already been disproven for some viruses. And it&#39;s a good question why the a-gal antibodies are such low titer. Your suggestions make sense but I haven&#39;t come across the real reason.</p>
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		<title>By: profvrr</title>
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		<dc:creator>profvrr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 20:55:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If natural antibody + complement lyses the virions before they can replicate, there is no adaptive response. If the clearance isn&#039;t sufficient, then the interferon response kicks in. If that doesn&#039;t work, then antibodies are produced.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If natural antibody + complement lyses the virions before they can replicate, there is no adaptive response. If the clearance isn&#39;t sufficient, then the interferon response kicks in. If that doesn&#39;t work, then antibodies are produced.</p>
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		<title>By: ATP</title>
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		<dc:creator>ATP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 21:07:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whoa thanks Vincent. Great post, from my perspective as I have been interested in the antibody response to VSV for quite some time.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I had indeed wondered why, as reported many years ago, humans sera contain natural antibodies with detectable in vitro activity against VSV, whereas sera from my naive mice never did. I am somewhat embarrassed to say I was unaware of the a-Gal differences amongst species.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It&#039;s interesting to note that many of us routinely grow VSV in Vero cells (African green monkey) which may lack a-Gal (do they come from OLD WORLD monkeys??), wheras other groups use BHKs which come from rodents and so definitely do not express a-Gal.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Perhaps raising lab mice in a (semi-)sterile environment also has an impact on their natural antibody repertoire? &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Also, for those of us working in mouse models, it may be useful to consider the reverse scenario, ie do mice our mice make natural antibodies against antigens from the primate cells we may grow our viruses in? As I say I have not observed this but I have wondered whether mice mount an adaptive antibody response to Vero antigens when immunized with VSV grown in Veros.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Finally, as you mentioned, natural antibodies are generally complement-dependent and also very low titer, at least in the VSV example. It is not obvious to me why this should be the case if they are elicited by an adaptive response to bacterial antigens. Are these bacteria poorly immunogenic? Or do they antibodies just have very low avidity for the a-Gal in the context of a virus particle?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Thanks for a great virologist&#039;s virology post!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whoa thanks Vincent. Great post, from my perspective as I have been interested in the antibody response to VSV for quite some time.</p>
<p>I had indeed wondered why, as reported many years ago, humans sera contain natural antibodies with detectable in vitro activity against VSV, whereas sera from my naive mice never did. I am somewhat embarrassed to say I was unaware of the a-Gal differences amongst species.</p>
<p>It&#39;s interesting to note that many of us routinely grow VSV in Vero cells (African green monkey) which may lack a-Gal (do they come from OLD WORLD monkeys??), wheras other groups use BHKs which come from rodents and so definitely do not express a-Gal.</p>
<p>Perhaps raising lab mice in a (semi-)sterile environment also has an impact on their natural antibody repertoire? </p>
<p>Also, for those of us working in mouse models, it may be useful to consider the reverse scenario, ie do mice our mice make natural antibodies against antigens from the primate cells we may grow our viruses in? As I say I have not observed this but I have wondered whether mice mount an adaptive antibody response to Vero antigens when immunized with VSV grown in Veros.</p>
<p>Finally, as you mentioned, natural antibodies are generally complement-dependent and also very low titer, at least in the VSV example. It is not obvious to me why this should be the case if they are elicited by an adaptive response to bacterial antigens. Are these bacteria poorly immunogenic? Or do they antibodies just have very low avidity for the a-Gal in the context of a virus particle?</p>
<p>Thanks for a great virologist&#39;s virology post!</p>
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		<title>By: gsgs</title>
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		<dc:creator>gsgs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 14:52:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>flu wasn&#039;t mentioned, but is enveloped and has these alpha2-3 and alpha2-6 receptors in HA.&lt;br&gt;When the natural antibodies kill viruses, do they present them to the specific immune&lt;br&gt;system, so they can be remembered ? Would make sense</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>flu wasn&#39;t mentioned, but is enveloped and has these alpha2-3 and alpha2-6 receptors in HA.<br />When the natural antibodies kill viruses, do they present them to the specific immune<br />system, so they can be remembered ? Would make sense</p>
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