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		<title>By: This Week In Virology &#8211; Esta semana en virología &#171; Gripe por A (H1N1) Blog</title>
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		<title>By: profvrr</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 03:19:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some of the viral RNAs do migrate closely, and the photo doesn&#039;t help&lt;br&gt;by reducing the resolution. The first two RNAs of M (top of the gel =&lt;br&gt;slowest migrating, largest RNAs) run as a closely spaced doublet; as&lt;br&gt;we say &#039;it&#039;s evident on the original&#039;. We did these gels multiple&lt;br&gt;times and in the end the segment assignments of the R3 virus were&lt;br&gt;convincing. They are run in 8M urea so everything is denatured and&lt;br&gt;running according to size.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The viruses do drop RNA segments and when they do, they are&lt;br&gt;noninfectious. If you have a high proportion of viruses lacking a&lt;br&gt;segment or two in any given viral stock, and then run a gel like this&lt;br&gt;one, you will see sub-molar ratios of specific RNA segments. Never&lt;br&gt;missing a segment - such a virus could not propagate on its own, e.g.&lt;br&gt;without a helper virus.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;This gel system worked well, but it was finicky. Everything had to be&lt;br&gt;done just so, or else nothing. I had many smeared gels that never saw&lt;br&gt;the light of day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some of the viral RNAs do migrate closely, and the photo doesn&#39;t help<br />by reducing the resolution. The first two RNAs of M (top of the gel =<br />slowest migrating, largest RNAs) run as a closely spaced doublet; as<br />we say &#39;it&#39;s evident on the original&#39;. We did these gels multiple<br />times and in the end the segment assignments of the R3 virus were<br />convincing. They are run in 8M urea so everything is denatured and<br />running according to size.</p>
<p>The viruses do drop RNA segments and when they do, they are<br />noninfectious. If you have a high proportion of viruses lacking a<br />segment or two in any given viral stock, and then run a gel like this<br />one, you will see sub-molar ratios of specific RNA segments. Never<br />missing a segment &#8211; such a virus could not propagate on its own, e.g.<br />without a helper virus.</p>
<p>This gel system worked well, but it was finicky. Everything had to be<br />done just so, or else nothing. I had many smeared gels that never saw<br />the light of day.</p>
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		<title>By: profvrr</title>
		<link>http://www.virology.ws/2009/09/11/influenza-virus-reassortment-then-and-now/comment-page-1/#comment-17478</link>
		<dc:creator>profvrr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 20:19:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some of the viral RNAs do migrate closely, and the photo doesn&#039;t help&lt;br&gt;by reducing the resolution. The first two RNAs of M (top of the gel =&lt;br&gt;slowest migrating, largest RNAs) run as a closely spaced doublet; as&lt;br&gt;we say &#039;it&#039;s evident on the original&#039;. We did these gels multiple&lt;br&gt;times and in the end the segment assignments of the R3 virus were&lt;br&gt;convincing. They are run in 8M urea so everything is denatured and&lt;br&gt;running according to size.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The viruses do drop RNA segments and when they do, they are&lt;br&gt;noninfectious. If you have a high proportion of viruses lacking a&lt;br&gt;segment or two in any given viral stock, and then run a gel like this&lt;br&gt;one, you will see sub-molar ratios of specific RNA segments. Never&lt;br&gt;missing a segment - such a virus could not propagate on its own, e.g.&lt;br&gt;without a helper virus.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;This gel system worked well, but it was finicky. Everything had to be&lt;br&gt;done just so, or else nothing. I had many smeared gels that never saw&lt;br&gt;the light of day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some of the viral RNAs do migrate closely, and the photo doesn&#39;t help<br />by reducing the resolution. The first two RNAs of M (top of the gel =<br />slowest migrating, largest RNAs) run as a closely spaced doublet; as<br />we say &#39;it&#39;s evident on the original&#39;. We did these gels multiple<br />times and in the end the segment assignments of the R3 virus were<br />convincing. They are run in 8M urea so everything is denatured and<br />running according to size.</p>
<p>The viruses do drop RNA segments and when they do, they are<br />noninfectious. If you have a high proportion of viruses lacking a<br />segment or two in any given viral stock, and then run a gel like this<br />one, you will see sub-molar ratios of specific RNA segments. Never<br />missing a segment &#8211; such a virus could not propagate on its own, e.g.<br />without a helper virus.</p>
<p>This gel system worked well, but it was finicky. Everything had to be<br />done just so, or else nothing. I had many smeared gels that never saw<br />the light of day.</p>
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		<title>By: DownBoyDown</title>
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		<dc:creator>DownBoyDown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Sep 2009 18:09:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I’m not entirely with you.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;First, I only see 7 bands in the MD gel.  And that 2 band in R3 looks a lot like L-3.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Not knowing anything about the virology and just looking at the gels, one might argue that R3-1 =&gt; L-2.  R3-2 =&gt; L-3. And R3-3 =&gt; M-3, which would mean that R3 is lacking the 1 band and has 2 copies of the 3 band.  Does the virology support this type of Ho?  Do scrambled cultures drop segments out and/or double up on other segments?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Alternatively, if what we are seeing is M-1 and M-2 smeared, one could conclude the R3-1 and R3-2 are M-1 and M-2 properly separated (i.e. artifact).   Is that the fast end of the gels at the top?  Don’t you expect more wobble there?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;As to bands 4/5, one interpretation is that R3-4 is common to all three gels and L-“4&quot; is really M-5, which in the Lee strain moves faster than the M-4   IOW, the 4/5 doublet could be flip-flopped in the Lee/Md strains.  Do such doublets ever flip flop in these viral RNAs?  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;BTW, as these comments probably suggest, I am really jealous.  At about the same time you were getting these beautiful results I was running gels (DNA) and getting spotted film that looked like shots from an X-ray telescope of galaxies in the deep universe!  I knew I shoulda&#039;  gone into astronomy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I’m not entirely with you.  </p>
<p>First, I only see 7 bands in the MD gel.  And that 2 band in R3 looks a lot like L-3.  </p>
<p>Not knowing anything about the virology and just looking at the gels, one might argue that R3-1 =&gt; L-2.  R3-2 =&gt; L-3. And R3-3 =&gt; M-3, which would mean that R3 is lacking the 1 band and has 2 copies of the 3 band.  Does the virology support this type of Ho?  Do scrambled cultures drop segments out and/or double up on other segments?</p>
<p>Alternatively, if what we are seeing is M-1 and M-2 smeared, one could conclude the R3-1 and R3-2 are M-1 and M-2 properly separated (i.e. artifact).   Is that the fast end of the gels at the top?  Don’t you expect more wobble there?</p>
<p>As to bands 4/5, one interpretation is that R3-4 is common to all three gels and L-“4&#8243; is really M-5, which in the Lee strain moves faster than the M-4   IOW, the 4/5 doublet could be flip-flopped in the Lee/Md strains.  Do such doublets ever flip flop in these viral RNAs?  </p>
<p>BTW, as these comments probably suggest, I am really jealous.  At about the same time you were getting these beautiful results I was running gels (DNA) and getting spotted film that looked like shots from an X-ray telescope of galaxies in the deep universe!  I knew I shoulda&#39;  gone into astronomy.</p>
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