Origin of current influenza H1N1 virus

2 March 2009

influenza-oligonucleotide-mapInfluenza viruses of two subtypes, H1N1 and H3N2, have been causing respiratory infections in humans since 1977. Before that year, it was believed that only one human subtype circulated each flu season. How did this unusual situation come about?

Major changes in the surface glycoproteins of influenza virus – called antigenic shift – lead to worldwide epidemics of influenza known as pandemics. There have been six instances of antigenic shift since 1889. In that year, H2N2 viruses circulated, followed by H3N8 in 1900, H1N1 in 1918, H2N2 in 1957, H3N2 in 1968, and H1N1 in 1977. Each pandemic strain carries HA and NA proteins that have been absent in humans for many years, and therefore immunity is either very low or nonexistent.

Influenza viruses of the H3N2 subtype were still circulating in humans in May of 1977 when H1N1 viruses were isolated in China and then Russia. In the winter of 1977-78 the H1N1 viruses caused epidemic infection throughout the Northern Hemisphere. The results of serological tests indicated that the HA and NA glycoproteins of the 1977 H1N1 viruses were very similar to those from viruses of the same subtype which circulated in 1950. Palese’s group compared viral RNA of one 1977 isolate, A/USSR/90/77, with RNA from a virus isolated in 1950. To their surprise, the two viral RNAs were highly related. In contrast, there was less similarity between viral RNAs from the 1977 H1N1 virus and H1N1 viruses that circulated in humans between 1947 and 1956.

Why were the viral genomes of the 1977 H1N1 isolate and the 1950 virus so similar? If the H1N1 viruses had been replicating in an animal host for 27 years, far more genetic differences would have been identified. The authors suggested several possibilities, but only one is compelling:

…it is possible that the 1950 H1N1 influenza virus was truly frozen in nature or elsewhere and that such a strain was only recently introduced into man.

The suggestion is clear: the virus was frozen in a laboratory freezer since 1950, and was released, either by intent or accident, in 1977. This possibility has been denied by Chinese and Russian scientists, but remains to this day the only scientifically plausible explanation.

The close genetic identity between the 1950 and 1977 H1N1 strains was revealed by oligonucleotide mapping. In this technique, purified viral RNA is cleaved with an enzyme, RNAse T1, that cuts the RNA after every G base. The oligonucleotides are labeled at the 5′-end with 32P, separated by two-dimensional gel electrophoresis, and detected by exposing the gel to X-ray film. The oligonucleotides form a pattern (‘fingerprint’, pictured) that can reveal genetic differences between virus isolates. This technique is more sensitive than serologic assays, but only provides information on about 10-15% of the viral RNA. However, the larger oligonucleotides are a representative sample of the entire genome. The authors calculated that there was a minimum of 8 bases changes among the large oligonucleotides of the RNAs of the 1950 and 1977 H1N1 viruses. In contrast, the RNA of the 1977 H1N1 isolate had 38 base changes compared with a 1947 H1N1 isolate.

Oligonucleotide mapping was used to study the genome of the 1977 H1N1 viruses because nucleotide sequencing was not yet in widespread use. Because nucleotide sequencing is now routine, oligonucleotide mapping is no longer used – as scientists like to say, it has been relegated to the museum of obsolete experimental methods.

I was a Ph.D. student in Peter Palese’s laboratory when Katsuhisa Nakajima and Ulrich Desselberger did the work in 1978 that revealed the close identity of the H1N1 strains with isolates from 1950. It revealed to me, for the first time, how an important finding creates enormous excitement in the laboratory and in the scientific community, and how general interest is fueled by the press. The work was accompanied by a News and Views article entitled “Influenza A viruses: shaking out our shibboleths”. I clearly remember Peter Palese asking me if I knew what a shibboleth was. I thought it was one of H.P. Lovecraft’s fictitious creatures.

Katsuhisa Nakajima, Ulrich Desselberger, Peter Palese (1978). Recent human influenza A (H1N1) viruses are closely related genetically to strains isolated in 1950 Nature, 274 (5669), 334-339 DOI: 10.1038/274334a0

Francis A. Ennis (1978). Influenza A viruses: shaking out our shibboleths Nature, 274 (5669), 309-310 DOI: 10.1038/274309b0

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  • Masazumi Kawauchi
    give me virus!
    m_kawauchi@enzantrades.jp
  • runtun
    You stated there was an antigenic shift in 1977. How can you be so sure there was a shift in 1977 when the RNA is so similar to that of a 1950 strain?
  • From 1968 only H3N2 viruses circulated in humans. The appearance of
    H1N1 in 1977 therefore constituted a shift because H1N1 viruses had
    circulated since 1957.
  • Swine Gal
    I would like to know the economy effects of the H1N1 Epidemic of 1977-1978.
    Thank you,
    Swine Gal
  • tracy
    when we were promised vaccines in oct 09 and 4 to 5 thousand died as a result ..of that delay. who benefited from those who were infirm and died, because of neglect...... the insurance companies that reluctantly covered them .... now their bottom line looks better?

    When there are men who would murder 90% of humanity to better there place.
    When we can not take care of our own.
    When we live in a production by slavery world
    When the controlling elite think they know whats best…
    When do they know best? When they take and keep taking. When you have less and they have more.?
    Think of the world you want and think of the world they want….
    Who would want a culture of death? When we are by nature a culture of life. What is good what is bad.?
    The corporation lives by rules of money (unnatural) without regard to humanity without care for all.! 6+bn
    Human behavior ?
    When we neglect when we destroy, when we murder

    "The people who are making this world worse don’t take a day off why should I" Bob Marley

  • John Charlton
    Dr. Racaniello,

    What is your reaction to the recent article in Virology, on the origin of the Swine Flu

    http://www.virologyj.com/content/6/1/207

    by Drs. Gibbs & company....



  • It's an interesting idea, certainly with merit. I plan to write a post
    on that article this week.
  • Esam
    Fk u
  • lilaaron
    will someone tell me wat is a origin h1n1 will someone please.. im at skool and i need dis answer..


  • JuJo
    But where did it originate from???
  • Bear
    If russia or china released the H1N1 virus.... can they be held accountable for the spread and cost of vaccine ?
  • Jess
    What I would like to know is how it hit so fast so hard. I live in Quebec which is obviously nowhere near Mexico and in a matter of a week the H1N1 Virus is all over the place. apparently like 28 people in Montreal have died. I'm not exactly sure if that's just this week or what but it's quite disturbing. I just ran into a friend out on the street and his wife and 2 daughters have it. it's kind of nerve racking cuz I myself have a wife and 2 kids, a 1 yo and a 5 yo. In addition to all that biblical bull crap which keeps popping up....no god would kill the innocent.
  • The rapid spread of 2009 H1N1 virus can be explained in at least two ways: most of the population has no immunity to this new strain, and airline travel is very efficient at bringing viruses around the globe.
  • August 1, 2009
    New Evidence: That The ‘Swine Flu’ Pandemic Is Man-Made
    http://www.daily.pk/7780/new-evidence-that-the-‘swine-flu’-pandemic-is-man-made/
    Filed under: World — Tags: flu, Pandemic, swine flu — Satinder SINGH @ 7:36 am
    Murder suspects are either convicted or acquitted at trial based on the prosecution’s presentation of EVIDENCE which usually hinges on MOTIVE, OPPORTUNITY, and TIME-LINES combined with physical documents. To gather such hard evidence, detectives and/or federal agents often spend months following leads and interviewing witnesses. In the trial phase, re-creating the sequence of events is essential. I submit this paper will provide more than enough hard evidence to at least result in a series of criminal indictments of charges of MASS MURDER, and CONSPIRACY TO COMMIT WORLD GENOCIDE against Novartis Pharmaceutical principals and agents and others.
    PRIMARY MOTIVE
    The Primary Motive behind this alleged criminal activity is also the primary cause of most murders in the world today, and that motivation is simply: BIG MONEY. Billions of Dollars of windfall profits from government contracts worldwide, as a matter of fact.
    I will provide evidence that will show that Novartis Pharmaceuticals of Basel, Switzerland has conspired with corrupt “scientists” at the U.S. Army Institute of Pathology Ft. Detrick, Maryland, to create a “novel” strain of weaponized “influenza” virus by means of “reverse engineering” the deadly 1918 killer strain which strain was maliciously and surreptitiously released upon the world in March and April of 2009 for the primary purpose of creating a panic-stricken world-wide demand for Novartis vaccine material.
    The evidence will also clearly show that the Novartis vaccine material is in reality designed to facilitate the further mutation of the pandemic into more lethal waves of increasingly virulent and deadly disease, rather than to curtail and limit the existing outbreak. The evidence will show that Novartis is willingly being used, (and extremely well-paid) to facilitate the edicts of the global elite’s Club of Rome; which edicts clearly call for a massive and sudden depopulation of certain segments of the earth’s human population.
    PRIMARY EVIDENCE
    To realize such windfall profits on an engineered, global flu pandemic, detailed covert planning must take place of course.
    Patents protecting the proprietary flu vaccine must be applied for and secured before the pandemic virus is released in order to minimize the competition and maximize the profit potentials. In a biological attack of this nature, timing is extremely critical.
    Indeed, the evidence is clear Novartis applied for just such a patent on Nov. 4, 2005, and the U.S. Patent Office accepted this application and granted US 20090047353A1 for a “Split Influenza Vaccine with Adjuvants” on February 19, 2009. (See bottom of page).
    With this patent now secured, the conspirators were now free to create the demand for their “novel” split influenza vaccine by releasing a “novel” split-influenza (combining multiple viruses) pandemic virus from a weapons lab test-tube into unsuspecting human hosts. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/06/17/AR2009061703271.html
    The so-called “Swine Flu” grabbing headlines today is actually a recombinant, or “split-influenza” virus consisting of A-strain Bird-Flu (H5N1), Swine Flu (H1N1) and multiple strains of human flu (H3N2). Likewise, the 1918 Killer Flu that killed untold millions of people was a recombinant or “split-influenza” virus composed of Bird flu, Swine Flu, and multiple strains of human flu.
    CRIMINAL TIMELINE
    The criminal timeline begins in 1997, when Dr. Jeffrey Taubenberger assembled a team of geneticists and microbiologists to analyze the genome structure, and then to REPRODUCE (i.e. reverse engineer) what is arguably one of the most deadly viral structures the world has ever been cursed with the 1918 killer flu virus. According to numerous published stories and reports, Taubenberger and his team utilized super-computers to map the complex RNA and DNA structures of the killer virus, then utilized human plasmids to successfully re-create the 1918 killer. Taubenberger completed his work in early 2005, then immediately left the employ of the U.S. Army at Ft. Detrick to take a much more lucrative position with the National Institutes of Health. His new focus was to create a VACCINE against the very same 1918 killer flu that he and his team had, just months earlier, successfully “reverse engineered” and created.
    This researcher is very confident that a focused criminal investigation would likely reveal prima facia evidence that Taubenberger was in reality working for Novartis while employed with the N.I.H. and was quite likely the primary author of Novartis’ Nov. 6, 2005 “provisional” patent application. On page 2, paragraph 32 of the patent publication we read, quote: “The influenza virus [that the 'invention vaccine' is designed to protect against] may be a reassortant strain, and may have been obtained by reverse genetics techniques. Reverse genetics techniques allow influenza viruses with desired genome segments to be prepared in vitro using plasmids.” The remnant of the paragraph then goes into very specific detail as to the actual mechanics of how the pandemic virus was actually created by Taubenberger’s Ft. Detrick team. At the very least, the author of the patent application had to have studied Taubenberger’s various published reports on his work at Detrick, for the wording and science is virtually verbatim.
    Furthermore, this paragraph is even more damning by the words “may have been obtained”. Who “obtained” this virus and for what reason was it “obtained”? Keep in mind the CDC and HHS would have Americans believe that the pandemic viral outbreak is totally a “natural” occurrence if so then how could Novartis have such an incredible advance knowledge to the point of developing a vaccine with such absolutely PERFECT TIMING???
    WHO EXACTLY IS “NOVARTIS”??
    Novartis International AG is simply the world’s largest, multi-national pharmaceutical company with over $53 Billion USD revenue generated in 2008. It’s headquarters is located in Basel, Switzerland, home of the vaunted “Swiss Guards” who provide all security measures for the Vatican and the Club of Rome. The company logo symbolizes the “eternal flame” of the Illuminati “enlightened ones”. Dig into Novartis International AG’s long history, and one finds that it began as a component of the infamous I.G. Farben combine, which in turn was primarily responsible for the rise of Adolph Hitler and the German/Austrian Third Reich.
    Dig a bit deeper and you find that Novartis also wholly owns a company called Sandoz which was the inventor of LSD and other strong hallucinogenic “truth” drugs, and was the supplier of LSD to the CIA allowing them to scale new heights with their covert “MK ULTRA” mind control experiments. Documents released to U.S. Congressional investigators in 1977 show that Sandoz Labs had arranged for certain Nazi scientists to gain new identities in Allen Dulles’ CIA at the conclusion of WWII. This was accomplished under a secret extraction program called “Operation Paper Clip”.
    The address listed on the Novartis Patent applications is a P.O. Box in Emeryville, California. Up until the summer of 2005, this Emeryville California address belonged to Chiron Inc. the world’s second-largest INFLUENZA VACCINE MANUFACTURER. Chiron was doing very well, with reported sales of $357 million in fiscal 2002. Chiron’s sales nearly doubled, peaking at a whopping $678 million in 2003 and it was mostly due to the marketing and sale of FLU VACCINE CONTRACTS to the federal government. Novartis, which owned much of Chiron’s stock, was very pleased, until disaster struck in 2004 — the entire year’s stock of flu vaccine was found to be contaminated and was condemned.
    Stock values plummeted on the news. With the stock at a historic low, Novartis quickly purchased the remainder of Chiron’s stock and began immediately to work on the massive “novel pandemic flu” vaccine that they somehow knew would soon have worldwide demand especially if they controlled the exclusive patent they could effectively “corner the pandemic flu vaccine market”!!
    OTHER CRIMINAL ACTIVITIES
    I would submit that killing tens of thousands of innocent humans via the systemic creation of a “pandemic” in order to make billions of dollars is vile enough, but there is also evidence that there is an even more heinous hidden agenda at work here, and it is spelled GENOCIDE.
    It is no mystery that Adolph Hitler advocated the elevation of a Nordic “Master Race” that would rule the world in a “New Order of the Ages” called the “Third Reich”. Sadly, not all of the EUGENIC/GENOCIDAL National Socialists were executed at Nuremburg.
    In reality, the elite financiers that actually dictated the agenda to Hitler, merely went underground, willing to bide their time until their godless agenda to liquidate BILLIONS of people could be successfully implemented.
    The evidence that the Novartis-controlled “Pandemic Vaccine” may well be a tool of mass genocide, is actually quite overwhelming.
    At this point, some readers may scoff and ask: “Why would any company want to kill off their customers?” The answer is that these “customers” control large blocks of assets and equity. As Kissinger’s “NSSM-200″ report outlines, the “spoils” of genocide include controlling large tracts of land and mineral assets. This is secondary, of course, to their warped dream of creating a Utopian World Order with only 500 million “worthy” humans allowed to share in it.
    WHAT’S THE EVIDENCE?
    While George H.W. Bush was busy saving the world from the evil dictator Saddam Hussein in 1991, pursuant to his U.N. speech to create a “new world order” an agenda for an “Initiative for Eco-92 Earth Charter” elitist meeting happened to fall into honest, Christian hands. This agenda basically reiterated the genocide outlined in Henry Kissinger’s infamous NSSM-200 report of 1974, and called for “the immediate reduction of world population.” The entire report can be downloaded at:
    My extensive research shows that by 1992, the massive death rate of AIDS had simply not materialized to the Elite’s satisfaction, and a more efficient mass killer had to be engineered in order to fulfill the edicts cut into the “Georgia Guidestones”.
    Evidence shows that like the 2009 “Novel” Flu Virus the HIV virus was also engineered and manufactured in the labs of Ft. Detrick.
    In 1969, during a House Appropriations Committee hearing, the Defense Department’s Biological Warfare (BW) division at Ft. Detrick requested funds to develop, through complex gene-splicing (i.e. genetic engineering) a “novel” new disease that would both be resistant to, and break down a victim’s immune system. The Congressional Record reads:
    “Within the next 5 to 10 years it would probably be possible to make a new infective micro-organism which could differ in certain important respects from any known disease-causing organisms. Most important of these is that it might be refractory to the immunological and therapeutic processes upon which we depend to maintain our relative freedom from infectious diseases.”
    The funds for this “Dr. Strangelove” project were somehow approved. AIDS “magically” appeared within the requested time frame, and of course, just happens to exhibit the exact characteristics specified by the Ft. Detrick scientists.
    Three years later, in 1972, the fledgling World Health Organization (WHO) published a very similar proposal to the one submitted to the U.S. House Appropriations Committee in 1969. The WHO proposed that: “An attempt should be made to ascertain whether viruses can in fact exert selective effects on immune function, e.g., by …affecting T cell function as opposed to B cell function. The possibility should also be looked into that the immune response to the virus itself may be impaired if the infecting virus damages more or less selectively the immune cells responding to the viral antigens.” (Bulletin of the W.H.O., vol. 47, p 257- 274.) This is a “textbook” clinical description of the function of the HIV/AIDS virus.
    The W.H.O. shortly thereafter begins a massive “smallpox vaccination” program in Africa in 1975. Within two years, millions of smallpox vaccines are provided by Novartis et. al, under U.N.I.C.E.F. funding. A decade later, it is determined by independent journalists in the U.K. that the incidence of AIDS infections’ MAPPED AND GRAPHED EPICENTERS in Africa coincided exactly with the locations of the W.H.O. smallpox vaccination program centers in the mid-1970’s (Source, The London Times, May 11, 1987). Some 14,000 Haitians then on UN ‘humanitarian missions’ to Central Africa were also vaccinated in this campaign, and soon contracted HIV. Personnel actually conducting the vaccinations of the Haitians maintain they had been completely unaware that the vaccine was anything other than a routine shot.
    In 1987, Dr. Hilleman, head of all vaccine production of Merck Pharmaceuticals stunned the world with his public admissions that the mass vaccination campaigns of the 1950s and ’60s likely caused thousands of cancer deaths each year. This was due to the presence of a cancer-causing virus that contaminated the first polio vaccine, according to Dr. Hilleman. Known as SV40, the virus originated from dead monkeys whose kidney cells were used to culture the first Salk vaccines. Doctors estimate that the virus was injected into tens of millions during the vaccination campaigns, including several million in Canada, before being detected and screened out in 1963. Those born between 1941 and 1961 are thought to be most at risk of having been infected with SV40, and are estimated to have a 300% greater chance of developing cancer. According to Hilleman MERCK KNEW THE VACCINES WERE INFECTED WITH SV40, but distributed them anyway. See http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=edikv0zbAlU
    Furthermore, research doctors in New Orleans reported in 1963 that a percentage of the Salk polio vaccines were found to have attenuated, (live) viruses, which actually CAUSED tens of thousands of polio cases during the 1950’s.
    Following the successful liberation of Kuwait in Operation Desert Storm, hundreds of thousands of victorious American troops are suddenly stricken with a wide variety of auto-immune disorders that doctors named the Gulf War Syndrome, (GWS). After a decade of medical investigation, the culprit is finally determined to be an ingredient in the anthrax vaccinations mandatorily given to the troops. This offending “adjuvant” is a synthetic material known as squalene aka, oil-in-water adjuvant. Writer and Gulf War correspondent Gary Matsumoto documents this entire, tragic saga in his seminal book, “Vaccine-A”. See www.vaccine-a.com.
    Understanding these historical facts is very important for this reason: Those that ignore history are doomed to repeat it. This is doubly true when it comes to blindly accepting a “novel” mass vaccination for a weaponized, “reverse engineered” virus.
    The historical record is very clear attenuated, live viruses in vaccines SPREAD the disease very effectively. When combined with SQUALENE ADJUVANT the virus becomes many times more potent and lethal. When given to CHILDREN IN SCHOOLS, millions of “typhoid Matts and Marys” will be spreading the disease exponentially.
    Chillingly, the Novartis patent for the “novel pandemic flu” declares that “African green monkey kidney cells” will be used for the “viral growth substrate” i.e. the carrier medium.
    (Page 3, paragraph 0037) We also see that “oil-in-water” squalene-based adjuvants will also be included (page 8 ¬ 0098) but most incredible of all, because this is a “recombinant” and “novel” split vaccine, it is deemed necessary to include fragments of attenuated viruses (i.e. live pathogens) in the vaccine medium.
    On July 13, 2009, the W.H.O. sanctioned this lunacy by declaring: “In view of the anticipated limited vaccine availability at global level and the potential need to protect against “drifted” strains of virus, it is recommended that promoting production and use of vaccines such as those that are formulated with oil-in-water adjuvants and live attenuated influenza vaccines is important.”
    In conclusion and summation, it should be evident that the “2009 Swine Flu” could just as easily be called the “Bird Flu” because it is as much H5N1 (bird flu) as H1N1 (pig flu.) Novartis knew this in 2005 when it received hundreds of millions of dollars from Mike Leavitt’s HHS to develop and patent the “bird flu” vaccine. I publicly charge that Novartis had advance knowledge of this “combination” because they had been in consultation with Jeffrey Taubenberger for years.
    It is further evident that Novartis’ patent provides for “influenza vaccine kits” to be provided to other pharmaceutical manufacturers as well. These “kits” are the basic raw ingredients needed for the other companies to build their own vaccines under their own label.
    In 2005, this “jobbing” of separate ingredients by multiple companies would never have been allowed because of the legal liability issues involved. However, in 2009, all liabilities for death and disability from faulty or contaminated vaccines have been stripped away. Any wrongful death or disability lawsuits against Novartis or any other company will today be summarily dismissed.
    Novartis today has carte blanche blanket immunity for their actions and any large pharmaceutical company who so desires, can join them at the feeding troughs just by paying millions for their “kits”.
    If this isn’t the pinnacle of criminality, then I don’t know what is.
    Novartis, if this “novel split vaccine” is so wonderful and safe, why do you require such blanket protection from litigation?
  • RogerV
    Satinder Singh looks to have copied this article near verbatim from this posting:

    Startling New Evidence That The 'Swine Flu' Pandemic Is Man-Made
    Novartis Patent Detailed And Mass Murder Charged
    By A. True Ott, PhD, ND
    7-26-9
    http://rense.com/general86/manmd.htm
  • RogerV
    The appearance of this report over in Germany created a bit of a stir there couple weeks back:

    German army gets special swine flu vaccine without controversial additives given to general public
    Published on 10-13-2009
    http://www.blacklistednews.com/?news_id=5925
  • RogerV
    This article is a bit dated, but have heard nothing that would indicate anything that is otherwise - especially in light of Obama now declaring H1N1 a national emergency:

    First Daughters Not Vaccinated Against H1N1
    Posted By Anne Marie Riha On October 8, 2009 @ 3:01 pm In White House
    http://whitehouse.blogs.foxnews.com/2009/10/08/first-daughters-not-vaccinated-against-h1n1/print/
  • The article is dated? Of course it is - it describes the emergence of an influenza virus in 1977. It has nothing to do with the 2009 swine-origin influenza virus. As for the first daughters - they are certainly part of the at-risk pediatric population and I would be surprised if they did not eventually receive the vaccine. Here at the medical center we are technically all at risk yet no H1N1 vaccine has yet come our way.
  • And now the NY Times reports that the First Daughters have received their 2009 H1N1 vaccine: http://bit.ly/1eTpgK
  • Jim Mercer
    Hello Professor.

    Given what you know about Influenza A H1N1, if a Department of Education - in conjunction with a Department of Health and "Mental Hygiene" (NYC as you might guess) - sent a twelve page "Vaccination Consent" form home with your 8-year old daughter, outlining the lovely choices of vaccine options available to you and your daughter, namely, Live Intranasal or Inactivated Injection, which would you choose?

    As expected, towards the end of this masterpiece was a well-crafted paragraph thoughtfully informing me that vaccine injury compensation options and ability to sue are limited by law.

    Noticeably missing was any option to decline the vaccination altogether - which we intend to do. My eight year old is now well-versed in how to say "no", and to defer "any futher discussion on the matter" to mom and dad. As an aside, our 12-year old daughter had a half dozen friends contract H1N1 earlier in the year. They were sent home, but *all* of them were back in school a week later after bed rest, plenty of fluids, and off-the-shelf flu remedies.

    I'm puzzled (actually, troubled) by the government (and commercial pharma) zeal.

    Again, your view on vaccination options would be appreciated. We see no compelling reason for complimentary doses of Thimerisol and/or Squaline.

    Kind Regards,
    Jim


  • It is your choice whether to immunize you or your children against 2009 H1N1 influenza. There is no squalene in the US vaccine, and you can request the thimerisal-free, single dose version of the vaccine. Children appear to be at high risk for H1N1 influenza this year; do you wish to expose them to that risk? Deciding whether to immunize is always a matter of balancing the risks and benefits. In my view the risks of contracting fatal influenza far outweigh possible side effects of the vaccine. Then there is the fact that the more who are immunized, the less the virus will be able to spread. It requires a bit of altruistic behavior.
  • Name
    The Soviet Union was launching viruses into the upper atmosphere towards Europe and North America, from their island research, I believe an island lab in the now dry Aural sea. This was going to be brought to the attention of the UN, however the Cuban Missile Crisis removed it from the list of important things to do.

    From my understanding, this was never an issue raised to the Soviet Union.
  • scottsinclair
    This is typical of how we are not in control of our world around us. And I quote, " The suggestion is clear: the virus was frozen in a laboratory freezer since 1950, and was released, either by intent or accident, in 1977. " So, in effect, our own stupidity is creating or will eventually create a worldwide epidemic which will kill millions.
  • katie
    I had a friend who had an interesting point of view and I was wondering if you could comment. He seems to think that thia strain of H1N1 did not orginate in the pigs. If it did not start in it's beginning host he thinks it may hve been a government experiment to see how the world would respnd to a global pandemic. Does H1N! have to actually start in the pigs and then transfer to human and then human to human? And could a government actually run some kind of health experiment like this?
  • All the evidence indicates that the 2009 H1N1 virus did originate in
    pigs. It's a new virus with genes from swine, bird, and human hosts.
    The mixing of different viruses probably occurred in pigs but it also
    might have taken place in another host. There are many laboratories
    that can produce genetically modified influenza viruses, but there
    isn't a scientist on the globe who could have known the exact
    combination of human, swine, and avian genes, and the mutations in
    them, that would produce a human pathogen. I realize that many people
    feel that the virus is a government experiments. But there are so many
    different influenza viruses in many different animal species, that it
    would be experimentally impossible to try all the different
    combinations of genes and mutations that would be needed to produce a
    human pathogenic influenza virus.
  • hadiya varnado
    this is not all info that i needed you guys need to update your site because i learned all this in school i need to know the scientific name for the H1N1 virus and its history not the comparisoion between the h1n1 and the H3N2 ok i need info
  • you mention Chinese or Russian labs, but isn't it more likely to have
    escaped from an US-lab ?
    China had no advanced flu-labs in 1977, USA was particularly active
    in swineflu research after 1976
  • The virus emerged initially in China and Russia, so it's highly unlikely to have come from the US. No conspiracy or germ warfare theories, please.
  • kaiva
    his strain of influenza contains viral code fragments from:

    • Human influenza
    • Bird Flu from North America
    • Swine flu from Europe
    • Swine flu from Asia
    so possibility that it is a case of bioterrorism can not be avoided.
  • why so much trouble to combine viruses then ?
    Just take a known one, modify a bit and release it
  • Anish Mohan
    As you probably already know, pig farmers and Jewish and Islamic interest groups have finally convinced the WHO (World Health Organization) to rename the swine flu virus to the influenza H1N1 virus, but what does H1N1 mean?
    Every strain of influenza has an H protein, hemagglutinin, which allows the virus to attach to human host cells, and an N protein, neuraminidase, which destroys mucous. There are multiple types of hemagglutinin and neuraminidase, so the numbers that follow H and N describe the specific type of hemagglutinin and neuraminidase found on that strain. Hemagglutinin and neuraminidase are important because they are essential proteins that allow the virus to infect us. For example, causes a soar throat by clearing the protective layer of mucous usually covering the throat cells with neuraminidase, it then binds to the uncovered cell with hemagglutinin, and finally the virus injects itself into the cell and destroys it.
  • Guest
    An even better and less offensive name would be Legislative or Government Flu
  • Anish
    Ofcourse H1N1 virus is man made. It was released out from the laboratory in 1977. But now it is released once again I think in order to test its efficiency.
  • Very good, BRAVO really! I am a researcher and have heard many takes of this H1N1 virus and although I have taken most accounts with a grain of salt (because of how many) I must say this seems to be the most logical one. Origin relating to the time frame seems practical yet political tide has seemingly taken it too far. The UN declares a level six pandemic in the summer, and I am seeing more license plates labeled DHS government vehicle. One very interesting thing I was discussing with a retired doctor was research on PH levels, Alkalinity, and Cancer that somehow lead to an informative discussion about Colloidal Silver even though it is unrelated. I am no doctor but it has been proven that if used correctly this Colloidal Silver could be used as a measure against such viruses and so far the impact of H1N1 on global population seems to be only 3% making the seasonal flu more deadly. Am I correct in believing that although the topic of H1N1 is extremely interesting because of it's occurrence it may be less of a monster than propaganda and politics make it seem? The question then is, what will prove as the bigger threat? The virus or the governments attempting to contain it? I am interested as to your perspective, please share.

    Yours truly

    polititalk
  • profrovigatti
    Prof. Racaniello, this is very interesting and helpful, thanks. What are the chances that the current H1N1 strain will recombine/reassort in the future with the deadly H5N1, potentially creating much more serious problems? I think Rob Webster alluded to something like that in a recent review article: I just hoped this scenario would be quite unlikely.
  • It's impossible to determine the chance of reassortment between the
    2009 H1N1 and H5N1 viruses. We do know that reassortants between the
    two viruses certainly can occur, and animals can be infected with both
    strains. Whether a reassortant virus will emerge that is able to
    transmit efficiently among humans is anyone's guess. There are no data
    which would allow calculation of the probability of this event.
  • impossible to determine the chance ?
    Here is my estimate: 10%. QED.
    Such a chance must be a subjective estimate
    and scientists should not chicken out to give
    subjective estimates, IMO.
  • Your estimate is more like a guess. On what is it based? Scientists are not chicken; they prefer to use scientific method to test hypotheses. This problem is not testable given the enormous number of viruses and hosts.
  • gsgs
    your estimate about my estimate is just a guess. I based it on what I read about the subject.
    If scientists give no estimates ("guesses") then we have to rely on the estimates
    from the journalists and actuaries. Do you want that ?
    What for do we have the scientists if not for estimating the future ?
    If any such estimates were useless then so were all the writings an
    papers about it. Simple logic.
  • joejohnson957
    The reality may come out in a few years, but for now it is still a well kept secret. The true origin of the H1N1, and the "swine" influenza viruses since the mid 1980s is the corporations that manufacture the vaccines. To create the vaccines, they must first culture the virus, and render it inert so that it doesn't give the vaccinated individuals the full blown virus. They mostly now can predict which viral strains will be a problem. This is because while they are culturing the virus, they release it in the populations in a few third world countries where sanitation is not so good, and the virus will spread like wild fire. The WHO then gets everyone excited about a pandemic, and the profits generate themselves for the companies who have the vaccine ready to go. They do slip up once in a while, and another flu virus that is naturally occurring infects more people than their engineered virus, but that just helps them appear legitimate. This flue season fewer than normal numbers of people chose to get the vaccinations, and magically the threat of pandemic is lasting much longer than usual. They are just trying to keep up the fear to sell their stockpile of vaccine that was made before the virus was released into the human/animal population to be spread. Look to those who profit from the vaccines, and you will find the source of the flue.
  • May I remind everyone who subscribes to such theories that there was
    influenza long before there were influenza vaccines.
  • joejohnson957
    That is true, however the mutation rate of influenza was much slower for many years before the mid 1980s.? Now that there is major profit in the flue vaccine, the mutation rate is 10 times what it was before.? If you weren't attempting to cover up that fact you would have noticed that my original comment was only on events since the mid 1980s.
  • The mutation rate, defined as changes in the RNA genome, has always
    been the same for influenza viruses. The rate of antigenic change has
    varied, according to species. For example, in pigs the rate of
    antigenic change was modest from 1918 until the 1980s.
  • kaushik
    hi content is good but it would be make better if whole life cycle & other details like how does it formed through fusion of 2 strain (human & swine) ..so & so......
  • nelly
    symptomps
  • lara4u
    Is symptomps a new language or a comment ?
  • zack fair
    from what country does h1n1 virus came fromin year 2009
  • lara4u
    profvrr,
    How can you explain the following logic with your scientific knowledge?

    The new H1N1 virus is composed of genetic elements from bird flu, swine flu and human flu spanning three continents and 8 decades. There is no conclusive evidence of the laboratory origins of the H1N1 virus. However, because the virus contains code fragments from many sources the origin of this virus is very suspicious. For example, for this to have been a natural combination of viral fragments, an infected bird from North America would have had to infect pigs in Europe, then be re-infected by those some pigs with an unlikely cross-species mutation that allowed the bird to carry it again, then that bird would have had to fly to Asia and infected pigs there, and those Asian pigs then mutated the virus once again (while preserving the European swine and bird flu elements) to become human transmittable, and then a human would have had to catch that virus from the Asian pigs -- in Mexico! – and then spread it to others.
  • Good question. We don't yet know the origin of the 2009 H1N1 strain,
    and we might never know. Take any news reports on its origin with a
    grain of salt.
  • katieRim
    With regard to the most recent origin, was it not the US owned, and opeated pig farm in Mexico that was revealed in the Media but never followed up?
  • rev
    this may be true that as the influenza consist of 8 segments of genes, the rate of mutation is higher compared to DNA viruses + they are negative RNA using the host to replicate within the cells and may mixed with the pig's gene (expressing the glycoprotein that maybe similar to humans') during reverse transcription to produce negative strain and when the viruses are assembled and bud off from the host cells, it carries that glycoprotein and able to infect human's cells. that's what i think why the influenza from the pig could infect human. Like the Spanish influenza that happened during the WW1, could it be military experiment? kills more people than the bullet! or people trying to manipulate the global economy? where tourism would slow down, food industries (pork meat) also affected thus country that exports and imports might as well being affected. this is just theory to think about.
  • Anirudh
    Can you just explain me the life cycle of this H1N1(swine flu)?
  • I've written a few posts here on virology blog about the life cycle of
    influenza virus. They include attachment of viruses to cells
    (http://bit.ly/7GFd8), entry of virus into cells
    (http://bit.ly/TODQ4), viral RNA synthesis (http://bit.ly/zcVwk),
    assembly (http://bit.ly/EZW2q), and pathogenesis
    (http://bit.ly/kpWBb).
  • jolinnah
    eow andame ng origin ha!!! kakaloka
  • lara4u
    What language are you speaking?
  • johnny
    Dear profvrr,
    What about this virus resistance to live outside its host? (Is this called virus liability?)
    Is it easy to destroy (just as HIV - a "fragile" but dangerous virus) ?
    Washing hands with alcohol gel is useful at all?
    thanks,
    johnny

  • Cenon
    Could anyone answer a question on naming the swine flu? Would it be correct practice to refer to the influenza A(H1N1) virus as simply H1N1? Thanks
  • The name H1N1 is correct but not specific enough; it could refer to
    last season's H1N1, or the H1N1 of 1918. The proper naming convention
    is: A/location/isolate number/year (subtype). So for the current swine
    like strains, one example would be: A/California/04/2009 (H1N1).
  • farrah
    could it be possible that something that may have been frozen like a mammoth or fossil related to the bird swine species have held on to the original strain of the h1n1 and after unearth and defrost transmit to another species and so on...

    also i heard a possible infection occuring from human to swine of this same virus but havent heard anything else...any news?

    and that it was a possible combo in an egg at the cdc that somehow has gotten misplaced?
  • eileen and kathy
    wow thats wow
  • okier
  • Giovanni
    Could these flu diseases be man made?
  • yesmiw2035
    Must be for CNN
  • Vera
    I'm a PGY 2 on INT MED and my program director just brought some article on H1N1 resistance to Oseltamivir from 2007 human viruses. I'm searching for some info to show him that the current virus is different from the HUMAN H1N1causing the "regular" flu in recent years. Am I right on the fact that the "H" and "N" does not specify host, virulence or resistance?
  • Correct, the H and N numbers (like H1N1) do not specify host,
    virulence, or resistance. Those vary independently.
  • Mikh
    Are there any possible circumstances in the future the might lead to such accidental or intended release of such supposed to be dangerous viral strains? How does the global community respond on this matter? It is quite disappointing that the knowledge we gain in research or in scientific investigations get corrupted because of such reasons. I hope they can find a way to this issue. Science is there to preserve life and maintain balance in the natural processes of the world not to alter it for things illogically done. Should this be something of truth, it is not good at all.
  • bigpicture
    The real infection here is lack of real information driven by a propaganda controlled media pushing us towards a fear generated one world order.
  • Giovanni
    You got that right. Look at the big picture.
    Wonder how many of these diseases are man made.
  • Doug Way
    Ask the people at Dugway, maybe they can help you answer that.
  • Tabetha
    If you have H1N1 influenza just say out loud now Jesus I believe and I receive you in my heart please help me. Remember God loves you and if you need more help please please go to leroyjenkins.com it will help you tremendously.
  • Joseph
    To Tabetha - i believe in Jesus, i am sure that "rain, erosion ( see: carlos guevara)", and all natural phenomena are somehow related to the "supernatural".
    I have been afflicted by a lung disease, i am vacillating on whether i should get the vaccine or not. Shall i say out loud "Jesus i believe.." and ask my doctor to inject the drug? OK, i will do that right away. And i do not believe in conspiracy theories. The world takes care of itself. It will make the necessary corrections to counteract eventual malevolent "backyard" conspiracy.

    Joseph
  • Incredible funny! I can’t believe than people in usa think this seriously. Diseases are a natural phenomena, there are not nothing supernatural, magical or religious. It is like rain, erosion, etc
  • bibi
    Hello,
    could anybody answer this:
    how comes that the current year's vaccin is not effectiv on the new "mexico " H1N1 ?
    The H1N1 strain is used in vaccins since 2002 ( probalbly much longer before) ?
    thanks
    bibi
  • Hi Bibi, just an important comment, this new strain is not a "mexico" type. Therefore is more probable that the center of origin was California or Asia and came to Mexico from USA, maybe by a tourist or seasonal worker.
  • Just_another_opinion
    I agree, I had symptoms and was sick and had to cancel a flight to Mexico, from California, two weeks prior to the announcement of the swine flu, later named H1N1, blaming Mexico as the place of origin, which I doubt very much is the case. I would pick the US, and California before Mexico as the place of origin and Asia could be the source country; having traveled around the world for over 40 years, and I specifically started traveling to Mexico in the early 60's, and to China in the late 70's, traveling back and forth numerous times, conducting business in both countries, leads me to believe Mexico is probably a scape coat situation, just a guess...

    My question is; How do you know it is NOT a "Mexico type"strain? If that is the case, then from what I have read in this blog, it may have been a stored strain and was accidently released or whatever from a lab.

    Note: There are journals written that indicate that the US gov released a swine flu strain in the 70's or early 80's as I recall, to learn how long it would take the strain to travel across the States, testing it on US citizens for biological warefare data, protected under national security guises, which basically means that US citizens can be used a guinea pigs for national security protections and causes.

    It seems more plausible to be an old strain, stored in a lab, that was released; when, how, for what reason, who knows and who cares, its here, so avoid contact with anyone that is sick.
  • gsgs
    lots of seasonal flu in California at that time. First confirmed mexflu is from
    February,24 in Potosi
  • larry
    Mike , you boviously dont understand that Evil exists and is in control. I think you need to do the research and find out what the TRUE empirical facts are. As for the Biblical sequence of events, they are exact and have happened according to the Bible. People research what they want in order to support their own beliefs, not to discover objective truth. All of the brightest minds in the world believe in God as our creator. As they look at the universe there is not explanation to it s greatness and order. For some, they prefer to believe that puncuated Equilibrium is better. They have never studued statistics, if they had they would know that the Bible is TRUE.

    There is a reason that evolution is a theory. Do the research and you will find out that Biblical text is fact. It iwill take great great courage to do this is you are an emprical person though. Nothing I can say in detail will convince you. You need to do the research yourself. If you dont then you are resposible for the outcome and your ignorance. To be informed is to know in detail both sides without bias.
  • Blake Connolly
    The bible was the best novel ever written.
    Evolution is a theory because ignornat bible types need to have man's timeline laid in front of them like a school lunch line. As we succesfully find these fossils, and prove the exact chain of events, they will no doubt come up with another unprovable concept. That, or they will say "well, ok, yes. It does seem as if all these different steps are very similar, but "GOD" is the one who actually made the last step happen"
    And when you say "All of the brightest minds in the world believe in God as our creator", you couldn't sound more uninformed.
    Just please let the adults discuss science, and keep the santa, god, easter bunny, vampire stuff seperate
  • Name
    Firstly, do your homework.

    Darwin ripped off his famous work. (See "A Delicate Arrangement")

    Also, "The Bible" in current, standard form, is 66 books. Written over several centuries.

    The problem with the "debate" of it in scientific circles, is that on the one hand you have non-scientist believers, and on the other, non-believer scientists. Typically the two sides know little or nothing of the other, and both blather on like two sects at war.

    So, shoving it off just because it seems not scientific, or various believers are not scientists is a bit naive, or uninformed, or possibly just arrogant.
  • sean
    I read somewhere that this new strain is one that contains parts of the H5N1 virus (bird flu) and other flues, including the H1N1 strain (human), and some genetic material from swine flu, but they're just calling it the H1N1 virus. This is all very confusing, because that would have had to be genetically engineered in a lab and then released into the general public. They (the media) is also saying that it is a rapidly mutating virus (RNA, obviously, because they are unstable). And up in the article it was talking about how the virus in 1970 was very similar to the one in 1950, so it would have to be isolated somewhere and then released. Could this new strain somehow be a similar situation to back then? Could this be genetically engineered? If someone could explain, that would be great.
  • pkrat
    Why wud u get a vaccine for a rapidly Mutating Virus? its not going to do any good once the mutation occurs, So either then u will need another vaccine, or the vaccine was never intended to help in the first place. Can anyone explain this?
  • Influenza vaccine is typically effective for 1-2 seasons, after which
    genetic drift has sufficiently changed the virus so a new vaccine must
    be formulated. So the answer is, we use vaccines even against variable
    viruses such as influenza because they do protect from disease for a
    year or two.
  • Giovanni
    It would not surprise me one bit that scientists were secretly playing
    around with diseases not knowing what they are spreading and came
    up with the current situation.
  • Pigs are infected with many different influenza virus subtypes (H1N1,
    H3N2) and viruses with different sets of RNA segments can emerge. It
    does not have to be engineered in a lab to have RNAs from so many
    different viruses. This is not a virus anyone has seen before, and no
    scientist is smart enough to have made it so that it would be
    transmitted among humans.
  • mollymcphee
    H1N1 Spanish influenza 1918...yes WE HAVE SEEN IT BEFORE
  • Christine P
    Why is it that pigs are infected with all these different types of influenza? Could any of this have to do with poor care and unsanitary living conditions of the animals. Could they be getting sick from living in filth, having open wounds that become infected, abuse, or neglect? Living in disgustingly horrible living conditions and getting sick, then being left untreated. Could that be the cause of this influenza? Where would the original infected pig get the virus from? I guess I really want to know if this could have anything to do with animal abuse and neglect? Maybe one pig died and its corpse became infected and infected the other pigs, which then infected the farmer, is this possible?
  • The theory on why pigs are infected with different types of influenza virus - mainly avian and human - is that the respiratory tract of the pig has receptors for both types of virus. It has nothing to do with 'living in filth' or unsanitary living conditions. Influenza virus entered pigs in 1918 - probably when an infected human gave the virus to a pig on a farm - and has been in pigs ever since, transmitted not only among pigs raised for food, but also among feral pigs. The virus is transmitted in the same way as it is among humans - mainly by respiratory aerosol, some contact.
  • mdubuque
    Dr., I'm a little puzzled by your statement, if I understand it correctly, that no person is intelligent enough to have designed a swine flu virus that can infect humans.

    Are you stating that it would require a massively complex undertaking, such as a Manhattan Project, for this to be engineered because of the fantastic complexity at issue?

    Thanks,

    Matt Dubuque
  • It's not the complexity of the task that prevents humans from doing
    it; it's that we don't know which viral genes, and the sequence of
    those genes, to include in the virus so that it will infect humans,
    transmit among them, and cause disease. Pigs have millions of
    different viruses and one succeeds in infecting humans and passing
    among them. How would we know which virus to make among the millions
    of possibilities? To make all possible combinations of viruses and
    test them all is impossible.
  • Name
    What if the "engineering" was simpler? What if virus material was exposed to various things like radiation, forcing it to mutate? What if they were placed together and in combinations and mutated?

    Seems to me, a ham fisted way could get lucky on making some witch's brew that would infect humans.

    Take bad vial A, and bad vial B, etc. and there you go. Stir it them together and start bombardment.

    Test on subjects of choice.
  • It's simply not a matter of mixing three or four different viruses together and seeing what comes out. This has been happening in pigs for years and it took from 1918 to 2009 for the right combination of genes and mutations to produce a virus to infect humans. This cannot be replicated in the laboratory.
  • RogerV
    Well, thankfully in Aug. 2008 Baxter was awarded patent US 20090060950A1, just in time to be licensed to five or so companies that are now manufacturing it for the March/April 2009 outbreak of H1N1.

    So if it took from 1918 to 2009 for the current H1N1 pandemic to show up on the scene, evidently a benevolent hidden hand provided for a patented vaccine to be developed just in the nick of time for this 2009 emergence. Aren't we the most lucky folks in the universe to have such fortuitous coincidences fall in our laps like this?

    Sort of reminds me of how a visa of one of the 9-11 perpetrators was found unscathed in the rubble of the WTC twin towers. It's always fascinating how the major historical crisis of our era are accompanied by these miraculous occurrences.
  • Woop
    I checked out this patent. It's not a "swine flu vaccine" patent as some people have claimed. It's just a patent for another way of developing a viral vaccine. I have no idea how common this is, so I can't comment too deeply on its significance, but it doesn't seem sinister.
  • Woop
    I checked out this patent. It's not a "swine flu vaccine" patent as some people have claimed. It's just a patent for another way of developing a viral vaccine. I have no idea how common this is, so I can't comment too deeply on its significance, but it doesn't seem sinister.
  • jbones
    Well Roger what a breath of fresh air you are.
    Baxter gets a patent for a virus six months before H1N1 actually rears its ugly head in a moutainous city in Mexico on the same day the U.S. Commander in Chief pays a visit.

    Maybe it is the same miraculous coincidence that the previous C in C has a brother Marvin who's security company retire their position a couple of days before a couple of aircraft (from airlines also under the security of Marvin's company) smack into the WTC spewing lethal kerosene that can melt steel causing the buildings to fall down. Wow! I wish my Kero-Sun heater could do that.
    I always found when trying to melt steel that you needed Oxygen (and plentyof it) to get a fuel hot enough to accomplish that. I wonder how you find that much oxygen that would keep spewing black smoke for some time before lethally beginning a trek through a hermaticlly sealed shaft to the basement. And the pasport visa survived.

    My, my, how I love coincidences.

    Cheers
  • Woop
    Who said the steel needed to melt for the building to collapse? I'm pretty sure a steel rod will break long before it melts.
  • Tashi
    If it was known that humans can be infected with the bird flu and they combined the bird flu with the swine flu so that it purposely infects humans, is it not possible to design this new virus with a little less "complexity"?
  • mdubuque
    Thanks. This is helpful.

    So theoretically it would be a far simpler task to engineer or produce a swine flu virus that is more lethal among pigs than to engineer one that could cross the species barrier to humans?

    In other words, the reason why one isolate will cross the species barrier and 400 others will fail is still very much a mystery, but tinkering with and engineering a swine flu virus that will remain within pigs is much more straightforward?

    My inquiry stems in part because I am persuaded, based on evidence that I regard as competent, that Cuban pig herds were the target of genetically engineered bioattacks. Among other things, my recollection of declassified CIA documents is that, at an absolute minimum, the CIA was actively seeking such a capability.

    But your response, as I understand it, is that such an undertaking would be far more straightforward than addressing the fantastic myriad of unanswered questions about crossing the species barrier.

    Am I substantially correct in my understanding of your view here?

    Thanks for your consummate patience. I do appreciate it. My doctorate is in a very different field!

    Matt Dubuque
  • Maybe I should put it another way (expressed by Dr. Young on TWiV
    today, which should go up this weekend). No one could intentionally
    make a virulent virus, for any animal, that is completely different or
    novel. Perhaps it could be done unintentionally - say an accidental
    release from an experimental vaccine lab or other facility. But we
    simply don't know how to make a more pathogenic virus. As was pointed
    out in TWiV, if someone had made the current H1N1 strain, they would
    have at least included resistance to all antivirals.
  • rogerv
    "As was pointed out in TWiV, if someone had made the current H1N1 strain, they would
    have at least included resistance to all antivirals."

    Have enjoyed your article but have found your line of reasoning as to why the current H1N1 of WHO Pandemic 2009 isn't likely to have been produced in a lab to be overly narrow in perspective.

    Why start with a swine virus and engineer it to cross species to humans? Just start with the 1918 or the 1977 swine virus, which was already capable of transmission amongst humans. (Victims of the 1918 were exhumed in order to get tissue to harvest the 1918 virus from - was a very controversial matter in the Seattle Times at the time because of the University of Washington involvement.)

    Secondly, why do you presume the intent would be to design a laboratory virus that is significantly lethal? (Certainly the current H1N1 pandemic virus is not very lethal at all, as flu virus go.)

    Keep in mind that WHO in June raised to level 6, which kicks into gear pandemic mandatory vaccinations. Now whatever nefarious intent that perpetrators may have can be much more reliably accomplished with a forced injection right into the bloodstream of the target populations. Can't get a better form a transmittal than that.

    All the pharma companies producing the vaccine are being granted liability immunity. The Washington Post reports that thimerosal, which studies have linked to autism, is being used.

    "Some of the vaccine will be stored in multi-dose vials containing thimerosal, an antibacterial additive that contains mercury. But there will also be single-dose syringes without thimerosal, a substance that some assert is harmful to children."

    Two of those companies, Novartis and GlaxoSmithKline, have reported that they're using the adjuvant Squalene. Squalene was the adjuvant used in the anthrax vaccine administered to troops of the first Gulf War and was strongly correlated to those vets that suffered Gulf War Syndrome health problems.

    Baxter patent US 20090060950A1, on which the vaccines will be based, says "[0057] Suitable adjuvants can be selected from mineral gels, aluminum hydroxide, surface active substances, lysolecithin, pluronic polyols, polyanions or oil emulsions such as water in oil or oil in water, or a combination thereof. Of course the selection of the adjuvant depends on the intended use. E.g. toxicity may depend on the destined subject organism and can vary from no toxicity to high toxicity."

    When you attempt to inject 60 million to 195 million, or more US citizens, you're going to have a high incident of health related problems just from the thimerosal additive and the Squalene adjuvant al0ne (of which the victims and their families will have no recourse to seek damages in the courts).

    Consider how most of the soldiers getting the anthrax vaccine were in the same young demographic that is being singled out as high priority for this fall's mandatory vaccination: 6 month to 24 year olds. The Gulf War Syndrome was a devastating health problem for those that were afflicted. Consider the enormity of what Squalene adjuvant could do if most of the targeted group is successfully inoculated this fall...

    Myself, I don't think thimerosal and Squalene will be the only issues that come from this mass vaccination program. The military is being prepped to help enforce it and conduct quarantines of cities if necessary - as reported by Fox and CNN. A National Guard put out inquiries looking to recruit individuals that have a suitable background for running interment operations (prisons, etc). Stainless steel bracelets with an embedded smartcard RF chip will be used to identify and verify those that have gotten their vaccination(s). This will be required to get past a check point.

    If only the goal of WHO Pandemic (H1N1) 2009 is to kick a militarized police state into high gear, then the lab engineered H1N1 will have fulfilled its mission.

    The problem with scientist is that they become so narrow in their mental perspectives that they often fail to look at a bigger, holistic picture. I see that over and over again. Brilliant people seem to so easily miss what a military trained mind can routinely calculate.
  • Name
    > When you attempt to inject 60 million to 195 million, or more US citizens, you're going to have a high
    > incident of health related problems just from the thimerosal additive and the Squalene adjuvant al0ne
    > (of which the victims and their families will have no recourse to seek damages in the courts).

    All those sick people might just insist on government health care for a solution?
  • Guest
    I completely agree with rogerv's assessment of the current H1N1 issue. The pattern of disinformation on the part of governmental agencies replicates that of the emergence of the AIDS virus and also how the virus suspiciously targeted culturally disadvantaged and/or disparaged groups, the inconsistent zoonosis timeline, and how it's emergence coincided with the smallpox and Hepatitis B vaccination campaigns then being implemented within the target populations. Given the above, one should be wary of a government controlled vaccination campaign based on an H1N1 fear. The fact that the devil is truly in the details of a complex science and that the general population has little patience for examining the troubling history behind world governance and strategies of tensions, gives malevolent forces a clear advantage.
  • sean
    okay, THANK YOU. i'm not even in high school yet so i would not know about the complexity of the viruses or anything like that. all i had about viruses was a little bit in class last year, so i would not know about this. THANK YOU for explaining. this clears up a lot, coming from a credible source. with all of the wackos (conspiracy theorists) on the internet, it is hard to find a credible source of information. thank you again.
  • mike
    Ryan-

    Conspiricy theories are just that...theories. I can accept that nature has it's own way of "Thinning the heard", but to suggest that the leaders of the world would conspire to "to kill as many as possible by Dec. 31, 2012" is a paranoid delusion. I won't go into biblical references, because their views are just as radical as any conspiricy theorists. I prefer to stick to the empirical facts. The eco-systems around the globe are being upset, and as a result there will certainly be new challenges for all life on the planet. I believe it is a part of the Normal life-cycle of the planet we live on. As it was before, so shall it be again. The only thing that we as humans can count on in this world is change.
  • Hector
    Of all the theories I have read, this is the one that I myself truly believe in. The planet will go through its normal evolutionary changes. The problem is, we have gotten too smart to accept that, so we try to make excuses for what is inevitable which is the growth and normal changes of the planet. Face it, we weren't the first ones on this planet.
  • Graham
    Depopulation should be the highest priority of U.S. foreign policy
    towards the third world – Henry Kissinger


  • pulseman
    Greetings to all!
    I have been reading this blog looking at different comments trying to differentiate between facts and opinions, and its been interesting. I am not a scientist but I do understand science and I do think in a militaristic way. Here are my thoughts on the subject:
    there is no question that the USA is on a military conflict against some opposing groups, and these have no option but to fight in an unconventional way against the military might of this country. There are also many other minor groups who lack a political agenda, but would facilitate a terrorists agenda for money. I understand that it requires very little tech to actually modify viruses and microbes, the stuff needed can be readily purchased over the counter. It would be very easy to theorize that an attack with something as innocent as a FLU virus could disrupt an entire country's economy if the virus itself was virulent enough to do so.
    You now could probably see where I'm going. It is very possible that this was a real attempt to cause a lot of damage, when in reality it has not. Just look at the timing. Our Government realizes how bad things could get if this new FLU was really more lethal than it has proven. That is why they are doing what they are doing. It is very interesting to see how a lot of you (and sometimes me) are so suspicious of Government actions. There is a lot of miss-information and this causes distrust.
    Mexico is a country with a lot of corruption and lawlessness, and next to the target country. The perfect place to start something like this. I have an inclination to think this was no natural phenomena, especially knowing what is known about the nature of the virus. What is really good news is that the virus does not seem as deadly as the regular FLU. I would suggest do get vaccinated as the benefits out weight the dangers of the vaccine.
    Our intelligence services by now would know quite a bit if the scenario above was real, but this info would be classified and not very well known outside their circles. Maybe by now the individuals responsible (if any) have already been taken care of. Let me inform you as some of you do not know, there is a huge state of the art microbiological lab in the island of Cuba, capable of creating biological warfare agents. Could it be possible? Yes it could be.
    Your duty is not to get sick and to avoid transmission to others for humanitarian reasons. One death due to this virus is one too many. This is my 10 cents worth.
  • Dixie Ann
    I am glad that rational thinking still occurs. People need to get beyond the titillating thrill of conspiracy theories and get busy with reality. However, that requires research and work. Thanks for putting facts out there for us to see and understand easily.

  • Linda
    Thank you Mike. Very well said. :)
  • Ryan
    the united Nations is trying to cut down the world population 93%. With this flu, Flouride in our water, and eating food with almost no nutrients we will Die. This is there goal. World wide Pandemic. everybody in the world wanting a solution. the world Govts. will unify into one New World Order to allegedly solve our problems. as They' ve been doing its all lie. If you think that everything i wrote is Bull Shit. Then you'll just have to see it yourself. the goal is to kill as many as possible by Dec. 31 2012. PLEASE I BEG OF YOU IF YOU DOUBT ME .DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH.

  • Dee
    umm, just a thought from a common lay person.. WE'RE ALL GOING TO DIE ANYWAY....!!!
  • That's true, but wouldn't you rather live for 70-80 years rather than 30?
  • the_rationalist
    Isn' t this the Mayan prophecy - 2012? You are a nut, ryan. As a PhD grad student in Biochemistry/Immunology, I can say Prof. Racaniello knows his science.
  • Giovanni
    There are some that think like you Ryan. They are beginning to learn
    that behind all of the secrecy and selected media reporting
    that slowly the very disturbing hidden truths comes out.
  • onanamous
    I remeber about three years ago or so a lab in Cinncianti Ohio sent out about 1500 test kits all over the world to labs for come test for new scientists and ID tests for students. anyway they included by accident the H1N1 virus. because the CDC didn't have it on there deadly pandemic list of virus's. all were recovered but one I had heard. I wonder if that has anything to do with this new outbreak?
  • This is a new virus that has never been seen before, so it is highly
    unlikely. The H1N1 virus included in those kits were the human virus,
    which is very different from the swine virus currently circulating.
  • lola
    so is this a dna virus or a rna virus which strains does it affect
  • Pedro A Reyes
    I live in Mexico and we are very confused here about the measures the government is taking against the flu. I have heard that it is not possible in the first 7 days passing the virus person-person, but only in the moment that the symptoms are already visible. Is that true?
  • Peak virus shedding occurs about a day before peak symptoms. I would
    not say it is impossible to shed virus without symptoms, but in most
    cases, shedding is quickly followed by symptoms.
  • JR
    If the 1950 H1N1 virus strain was stored in a freezer at that point and then realeased in 1977, wouldn't one would expect it to be nearly identical to the 1950 stain? This theory sounds a bit too cloak and dagger to me.
  • It is nearly identical to the 1950 strain. It would not be identical
    because it had already multiplied in humans before the first samples
    were taken.
  • nelly
    so for how long do one live with it...?
  • ET
    I had no idea scientists were so well versed in OT studies...Good thing I didn't blow off that class at my Jesuit university.

    Is it equally plausible that this virus could live in Avian species unimpeded and unchanged, for as long as there was a reservoir? It would seem like if Avian species are the natural host, then there wouldn't quite be a need (or drive) to evolve thus allowing little change from year to year-It seems like the 1918 strain was found in some fowl in Germany a few years back-wouldn't this be along the same line?
  • I very much doubt that the virus could replicate in any species
    without significant sequence changes. For example, the genome sequence
    encoding the VP1 protein of the poliovirus vaccine strains change 1%
    each year as the virus moves through the human population. If the rate
    is constant throughout the genome that equates to 75 base changes a
    year. For influenza A virus, the rate is in the range of 1.8 x 10–3 to
    2.2 x 10–3 nucleotide substitutions/site/year. I doubt there exists a
    'neutral' host - but I could be wrong. As for finding the 1918 strain
    in fowl....not to my knowledge. That strain has only been
    reconstructed from RNA sequences amplified from pathology sections
    taken from 1918 influenza victims.
  • Jorge
    If RNA sequences has been reconstructed in sections, the final sequence may not be different that the original? Second question: why now, May 2009, there are virtually no cases in underdeveloped countries?
  • No cases yet in underdeveloped countries? They are mostly in the
    southern hemisphere, where flu season is just beginning. And travel,
    which brings viruses everywhere, is less extensive in those countries.
  • XOTAB
    Excuse me professor , with all my respect , Mexico , USA ,China , are not in the southern hemisphere on the contrary on the northern hemisphere , it's my knowledge that biologic
    scientific experts don't know much about geography .
    I respect your opinion greatly as far as the developed of the virus (rna) posible mutations
  • pauvirus
    Profvrr is right the season in these underdeveloped country was so far not congenial for virus now the time has arrived and youn can see the consequences in India and other countries. How this virus is spreading
  • I didn't say that Mexico, China, and the US are in the southern
    hemisphere. I wrote that most of the underdeveloped countries are in
    the southern hemisphere. I do understand that statement is also not
    accurate. It's really too soon to understand why there aren't more
    cases yet in underdeveloped countries.
  • XOTAB
    OK , Sorry you are right , but it is very interesting , as we aproach to summer in the northern hemisphere , the southern hemisphere is now fall , where flu season is just beginning. Thank you for your respond

    Could it be the mutation virus H1N1 is the result of farms domestic commercials animals like pigs the way it is feeding mechanism and ingredients to promote more rapidly growths and lees fatalities or looses per head of animal like the extensive use of anti-biotics or hormones ?
  • Since 1998 many more human and avian influenza viruses have been
    infected pigs than between 1918-1998. This is undoubtedly a result of
    huge increases in raising pigs and domestic poultry, often near one
    another, and the fact that humans need to work with these animals.
    There is no obvious role for antibiotics and hormones.
  • Stephen Barclay
    I have read the article and all of your replies and want to thank you for a wealth of knowledge and information. I will check back frequently as things progress as you are someone who obviously has the background and access to information and appears to be more than willing to share what you know..

    Respectfully,

    Stephen
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